as he said it makes .8% of a difference, we heard about dan quayle, going to sully george bush, busha landslide in '88. i'm just curious, your thoughts on considers kansas, and is this problem a .8% problem for joe biden or bigger? >> the last time i can remember a vice president candidate making a difference was john mccain and he picked sarah palin, she pulled down his numbers, and by then, of course, the relationship had totally fallen apart. i get the point about the 0.8%. i wonder if it's different when you have both of the candidates, both donald trump and joe biden as old as they are, and therefore the opposition can cast this as actually an election campaign that would put the vice president into office potentially because of the age of the president. i mean, that is where kamala harris could make more than a 0.8% negative difference to the biden campaign if the republicans decided to push that and there were enough people who didn't want kamala harris to be president, but the chances are it's pretty slim. i do think the white house still has to deal with the age issue. they