i guess danya perry that deserves some credit. the no quibbling strategy and you really took to heart. there was no point in quibbling. you are constantly humble and respectful. and friendly to todd blanche. tonight's audience might not get that feeling . but five answers in a row where yes sir. yes sir. no sir. all the way through. and there was a humility in your presentation of that. and i believe it was registering with the journey - jury. i think they also found you credible. and i do want to confirm what you said about what felt like your connection to the jury when you were returning on speaking directly to them. i was taking that in and the attention they were giving to you. the mystery is that okay. are they believing him? and the verdict said they were. but i want to take you to what everybody considered and including me at that moment. the most dramatic moment in your cross-examination. i did not think it was as big as other people thought. because cross-examination is never the end of the story. i was going to wait to

. >> one of the things during prep sessions with danya perry and her office was do not quibble over and answer. if he did it, own it. and it's very difficult. nobody wants to acknowledge that they did something wrong or something bad. >> joining me now is danya perry, she was sitting next to him in that exclusive interview. thank you for taking the time this afternoon. i just played some of trump's not so veiled attacks on michael cohen. he says, i'm not allowed to use his name because of the gag order. are you watching this and are you prepared to take any action if he continues to come after your client? >> we've taken action at every turn. i think a lot of people forget because michael has a dramatic persona. the trauma he has been through, i was there with him when michael was thrown into solitary confinement. i was there with him when trump filed a half-million dollar lawsuit against him after he testified in the grand jury. so i hurt your opening segment. you are talking about violations of norms to the rule of law and dangers to the institutions but also to witnesses. as much as

. >> showing me now is michael collins attorney who you just heard him talking about, danya perry.om's not so veiled attacks on michael cohen. he literally said i'm not allowed to use his name because of the gag order. i know you are watching this closely and prepared to take action and responsive he does keep coming after your client? >> we have taken action at every turn. i think a lot of people forget because michael can tend to have a dramatic persona, what he has actually been through, the trauma he has actually been through, so i was there with him when michael was thrown into solitary confinement in violation of his constitutional rights and we got him out of that. i was there with him when trump filed a half a billion dollars lawsuit against michael after he testified to the grand jury in this criminal case, and so you know, i heard your opening segment with andrew and neil. it was chilling because you know, you're talking about, rightly, violations of norms and to the rule of law and dangerous to institutions and process but also to witnesses, so as much as michael is feel