deborah meaden. >> deborah meaden, dragon ? >> deborah meaden, dragon? >> deborah meaden, dragon?s. surprised. and she's even been saying she's met with him and he's marvellous, what does she have to say about him? she said having spent some time with keir, i find him thoughtful, caring, reflective, which is interesting. yeah, all of those things . he's just so of those things. he's just so care. and keir, keir, elton, elton john is basically saying that we shouldn't. it's heartbreaking to see the hopes of britain's next generation of creative talent downtrodden by bureaucracy and red tape, and he's making the case, as are lots of these celebrities, that labour are going to support the arts more , which supports arts more, which supports certain people. i'm not sure. well and that isn't really why we have like, you know, mick jagger's dancing didn't come from like a lottery funded weekend choreograph. >> you know what the lots of people do believe that, though, do they? yes they do, they do i we just had a long lecture just just today about the or yesterday about the how this youn

he had the likes of james norton , deborah meaden, beverley knight.ave thrown their weight behind sir keir starmer. well, i'm going to start with joana jarjue. what do you think? do you think it's great these celebrities coming out? yeah absolutely. >> and i even think it's ridiculous when people come for gary lineker as well. i think, you know, some of these things, you know, some of these things, you know, some of these things, you know they're also human beings we're not coming from. >> like if he does something that's ridiculous and then no, but he's not going to just carry on and get away with that proportion. >> the way that people just attack gary lineker for having an a, well, perhaps. >> well, he still has yet to apologise for me for his behaviour, but he won't be doing that so well. >> i think that people like elton john who don't work for the bbc, there's no kind of room for debate. at the end of the day, he's a private citizen. he's a british person. he has contributed so much to british society and british culture. if he wants to throw hi