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your panel this evening, former levelling up minister dehenna davison and sunday times columnist andformer olympian matthew syed. it's been another huge political day, with the chancellor accusing the tories of a public finance cover—up, and we'll come on to that. but first, how could a dance workshop for children become a scene of such tragedy? let's talk live to the bishop of liverpool, john perumbalath, and councillor sean halsall. two children have been killed and nine more injured, six of them critically after what police described as a ferocious stabbing attack at a taylor swift dance class for primary schoolchildren. a 17—year—old boy has been arrested. thank you for talking to our audience this evening. bishopjohn, first of all, how are you able to help a community through such a horrific, traumatic event? it is horrific, traumatic event? it is reall a horrific, traumatic event? it is really a shocking _ horrific, traumatic event? it 3 really a shocking thing that horrific, traumatic event? it 1 really a shocking thing that we heard. and it is a bigger tragedy than we even im

. >> oh, interesting fighting talk always from suella braverman dehenna davison.ress recently sort of overtures to reform. there was lots of commentary that she may well either move to reform or defect or whatever it might be. what do you make of what she said there and where she might go in the future? leadership or defection? >> i think her legal background was coming out there because the wording she used was very careful. there was an apology, but it wasn't. i'm sorry that we didn't listen to you. i'm sorry. the conservative party sort of detaching herself from any responsibility. and let's bear in mind she talks about immigration. she was home secretary. she could have got a grip. she could have stood up against cabinet. she could have, you know, resigned in a much more spectacular fashion. she didn't she didn't get a grip over him. >> do you think she could have done? of course. and she wasn't a particularly successful home secretary. i was not on his issue, but she wasn't a very successful thing. she could have done. she didn't do. but it was interesting. s