macalet, des lee was on, no, actually, brian mccoy was was on my right and dez was on his on his rightof the back of the the fan, that's how close we were to it, and uh, there were there was banter between the soldiers and and ourselves and they were saying uh, one of them, i remember one of them said, i bet you lads would rather be at home and bed than standing out here at the side of the road, and fran fran or... our singer was witty fella and he said i bet you lads would rather be at home in bed than than sitting in a ditch because some of them were hunkering down and i was fascinated by that the guns they had these sort of rifles with perforated barrels, i think there were sub machine guns or something like that - and and one was laying across this man's uh legs and as i say he was hungry down there was another man he seemed to be in charge and um and he was giving the orders. and there was another man there, the man that, i think he may have been the person that stopped us and told us to pull in, um, he had notebook, and just before we pulled in, there was a car coming up behind u