kolychko says that novakivskyi the most expensive ukrainian artist , what does she mean, and i means, that in his time, what he put up as a price for paintings, it was really very high, it was very high. a very important topic that you and i haven't touched on yet, but which interests me terribly, is your relationship with your great-grandfather, so it 's not easy for you at all, this initiative of yours , novakivskyi space, and in general your interest and your work, it's not easy, this is your family history, uh, when, when did you start relationship with novakivskyi, how did you find out about it, and in general, do you have any... personal, do you have any family stories, yes , stories about him, or all that you know is mostly from the biography, actually already written, do you have any family stories about him? ah, well, first of all, it must be said that a lot of information was hidden and kept secret, because, as i said, sheptytskyi was not a patron, he was... very friendly to novakivskyi to such an extent, that is , they were patronizing, and so much so that when novakivsky