played, and dyuzhev in some the interview said that he tried to establish some kind of human communications that were supposed to tear out the internals, it was already there, torture was already flowing from there yes. well, pavel semyonovich, thank you very much, grateful to you for this conversation, dear friends, it was a podcast about the lives of wonderful people, my guest was a wonderful director, screenwriter, wonderful interlocutor, sincere person, pavel semyonovich lungin. thanks, me too it was very interesting. you see the thing, stanislav, you once said that a hockey museum is necessary, but you criticized it for how it looks, and what has come of it now, why? an unexpected start. for some reason, in our museums they think in two formats, but usually, or these are the old gray-haired grandmothers who collect. yes, but somehow it didn’t work out until after the war, why? yes, it was such a big newspaper company, red sport is an organ, accordingly, well, i will speak in modern terms, but there is the ministry of sports, then there is this very influential press, which is read bot