rape crisis centre. so i'm joined now by co—founder and ceo of sex matters, maya forstater and lecturer in public law at the university of glasgow, michael foran . welcome to the show both. foran. welcome to the show both. maya, i want to come to you first because a lot of people will be hearing this for the first time and thinking, what on earth is going on? a rape crisis centre discriminating against someone for saying that sex is important? what's going on? >> yes. it's madness. so ross adams was counsellor at edinburgh rape crisis centre and it's an organisation that's adopted. the view that sex isn't real, that the only thing that matters is a person's gender identity. what they say they are. and in 2021, it hired a new ceo, a man called mridul wadhwa , ceo, a man called mridul wadhwa, who identifies as a woman. and this was for a job that was advertised as being a specific job for a woman running a rape crisis centre, they they employed a trans identifying man, and they , who doesn't have man, an