elgar's violin concerto with elgar conducting when he was 16. yes. >> and i remember seeing the photograph of the two of them on the record sleeve. that's it. absolutely extraordinary . so and absolutely extraordinary. so and so menuhin was conducting as you played he that is extraordinary. >> yes. it was. i sort of felt a musical grandson of elgar and. well, it was well received . well, it was well received. that's all i can say. >> and why do you assess him as perhaps our greatest, english or british composer? i'm not quite sure what you're saying. english or british? >> let's say english for the moment. >> let's say. let's say, well, let's say british, because we have to be honest and say we haven't produced that many. what would globally be called great composer . and elgar's music is composer. and elgar's music is performed internationally , cello performed internationally, cello concerto being possibly the most played enigma variations , lots played enigma variations, lots of other pieces, he's a very, very great composer and i think we sh