elliot colburn is a conservative mp who sits on the women and equalities select committee. think there is an incredibly long way to go until we can claim that there is equitable levels in health care for trans people. we know that waiting times are far beyond other conditions within the nhs. what needs to be done by the government, by nhs england to realistically bring these lists down? i think one of the major things is workforce, actually having the staff who are sufficiently trained to be able to deal with these complex matters of trans health care. so when it comes to waiting times, i don't want a loud, angry argument and i don't think trans people either want a loud, angry argument about their very existence. it would actually be nice just to have a discussion based on one issue, an issue of waiting times and how we can get those down and how we can get people the support that they need in a timely manner. you talked about the toxicity of the debate. do you think that toxicity means that the government, the department of health, nhs england are unable to make changes a

elliot colburn is 31 years old and was elected as an mp at the 2019 election.eal. in that moment i felt alone and scared and like there was no way out and that the world would be better off without me in head. better off without me in it. but i don't recognise that man any more. cheering. i know that nothing is ever really worth that. help really is out there. i'm pretty awesome. hear, hear. there was one close friend in particular who worked for mr colburn in his surrey constituency who helped the mp get through this period. her name is catherine gray. and they are both here to talk to you this evening. thank you for being here. can i ask you first what was going on in your life at that time? it is you first what was going on in your life at that time?— life at that time? it is hard to put a sinale life at that time? it is hard to put a single moment _ life at that time? it is hard to put a single moment in _ life at that time? it is hard to put a single moment in 2021- life at that time? it is hard to put a single moment in 2021 where i | a single moment in 2

elliot colburn thank you. thank you . thank you. thank you. >> very sobering end for you there.uicides in the uk are by men. and the highest rate is between the ages of 45 and 64. if you are struggling, there is help out there. the samaritans are there 24 hours a day on 116123. that's 116123. and you can see gloria's full, very moving interview with elliot on our website. now. now we move on.the our website. now. now we move on. the leader of the lib dems, sir ed davey , has called for sir ed davey, has called for once in a generation election . once in a generation election. he called for transformational transformational change to bring the blue wall tumbling down. he accused labour and the conservatives of tinkering around the edges and trying to cloak themselves in the costume of change, but really trying to keep things the same. he also poked fun at the prime minister over the calling of the election. let's have a listen to that one, shall we? >> now, of course we don't yet know when election day will be. we don't know because it's in the hands of just one man. it's pretty