roman catholic church in ukraine, and the orthodox church of ukraine, and we have its superior, blessed epiphaniusehow we lack, i don't know, double triple forces that our ukrainians should receive. ukrainian churches, we understand that it is necessary, well, it is necessary for the state to facilitate and help them sort through certain, so to speak, real powers in very specific areas, which were controlled, not only by the derkach, but also by some other watchers from moscow, well, first of all, you forgot to mention protestants, muslims, jews, who are also actively present in religious life today, and believe their position.. .to the independence of our state and participation, especially in the defense of this independence, should not be forgotten either. well, the state looks at how certain organizations behave, and you see that if you cooperate with the enemy, then the state is very determined to protect its national interests and their security, well , for example, i know about the opening of about 70 criminal cases against representatives of the ukrainian orthodox church. but the churches