i communicated with people like eric kirschman that it was my view that it was important that the president put out some kind of message in advance of the event. >> what was mr. hirschman's response? >> mr. hirschman said he made the same recommendation directly to the president and he refused. >> just so i understand, mr. hirschman said he already recommended to the president that the president convey a message that people should be peaceful on january 6th and the president refused to do that? >> yes. >> tim, she's -- it's clear that she knows right from wrong. it's also clear she doesn't run into the burning building and tell trump you do this or else, which makes her fascinating -- almost at organized crime trials you get the people that were around when the schemes were hatched. >> yeah. so must have of what we were probing and the current case is probing is what's on donald trump's mind, nicolle. we talk again and again, you and me, about intent and what the president means. not many people are as close to him or had as direct communication with him, know him as well as hope hicks. whe