fraser nelson, it was introduced _ described. fraser nelson, it was introduced in _ described.nment? part of it was fairness that people didn't _ government? part of it was fairness that people didn't want _ government? part of it was fairness that people didn't want to _ government? part of it was fairness that people didn't want to think- government? part of it was fairness that people didn't want to think you j that people didn't want to think you are working fairly and raising kids you don't want to think that an equivalent family on benefits is literal. also concern at the time that people were having larger and largerfamilies and this that people were having larger and larger families and this was leading to child poverty because if you have a situations with mass welfare dependency and people going up on welfare dependency, this doesn't help people at all. that it's not me rationalising, that is what happened at the time, but it has become now i think a metaphorfor keir starmer whether he can be influenced by his party or not. he has always been saying back up in scotlan

finally, fraser nelson, the editor of the spectator, has said that many in this huge consultancy willm very happy doing what we're doing with the institute because we do things in this country. but we're in roughly a0 countries in the world, and we've got, actually, almost 1000 people working for us. and i'm enjoying it. i'm very enthusiastic about it. and... sounds like megalomania! i'm only kidding. i'm only kidding! yeah, well. tony blair, thank you very much. thank you. we're just waiting for news from the oval of that bilateral between keir 0val of that bilateral between keir starmer and joe biden —— from the oval office. let's pick back up on the tony blair interview there. he sets himself up, doesn't he? he talks about wokery but actually, doesn't. .. talks about wokery but actually, doesn't... it's like, why even mention it?— doesn't... it's like, why even mention it? y ., . ., , mention it? my advice to tony is, don't talk about _ mention it? my advice to tony is, don't talk about wokery, - mention it? my advice to tony is, don't talk about wokery, what - mention it? my advic