frederick nietzsche and nihilism or this in the futures -- futures -- virtues. most choose aristotle and in practice that meant this aristotle tradition which is the synthesis of aristotle and christianity. again that outline of the history of political philosophy should sound familiar especially to those of you following contemporary debates and the views of the post- liberals. now. i want to assert and i can only be brief that mcintyre's analysis was wrong and all major respects. i do say that as somebody who great the admirers alastair mcintyre whom i admire more than almost any other thinker but nonetheless i believe he was wrong about frederick nietzsche, aristotle and the modern liberal tradition. here i can mostly only assert these claims and sketch what i think is a better view. i do hope that this will shed some light on our question, civic virtue in a liberal or rights protecting democracy. and what i say about mcintyre i think applies to the post liberal critique of liberalism. first he misrepresents the critique of philosophy. nietzsche didn't show t