well, rose, goto miller is a former deputy secretary general of nato, and i lectures an international policy at stanford university. welcome to the job you. first and foremost, you worked closely for several years with the i was going nato chief un spelt and berg. what's your assessment of the state of nato? i think under stoughton, for the nato has released to the, to the challenges that have come from right from aggression against to crane. clearly data was assisting you crane. and in every way it's kim and stone. burke has been a very, i would say, study and strong presence in terms of, in the individual countries, you know, getting the call from him to help more to help more and, and constantly really because of this, the individual capitalist who makes the decisions and by the way that does have been very good about making decisions on helping you crate. i think that was a factor. i'm good to selection, that's a student who has been very firm in a study handle the tool or this is almost like, please say that we hear every day. but in this case, it didn't mean that he was applying