talk to us about this line of questioning, tracy menzies from harper collins, compelled to testify, so someone under subpoena, and the general counsel for harper collins, which is a major publishing house, is in the courtroom representing. >> right. this is exactly if you're a vp of a publishing company, you anticipate on a thursday. the second one that gets to do this wonderful task before donald trump and the witness stand, reading directly out of one of his books. read cross america day, usually those are dr. seuss books. right now what we're doing is think big, make it happen in business and life, another book here by donald trump, and this is where the publisher is going through there here, and we could expect beginning to read part of this. we are just getting at the fact where the publisher is acknowledging here about obtaining a copy of the book. we're going to have to give it a few moments to see what passages they read through. and you were also talking about karen mcdougal, if i may bring it back, as we wait to see what witnesses they bring forward, karen mcdougal remains of