well, to discuss this, i'm joined by julian hendy of . the joined by julian hendy of.red families.org charity. and just before we start, julian, in a sentence , just julian, in a sentence, just please tell us what your charity stands for. >> um, in two thousand and seven, my dad was killed by a mentally ill person. um and i found it so difficult to get information , even though i was information, even though i was an investigative journalist. and so i set up the charity to try and assist families who have been bereaved as a result of mental health related killings. um, and i've been supporting the families in this case. no >> well, good for you. and it is . it is over 100 people a year, isn't it, that are murdered by its patients with. >> yeah, it's about 100 to 120 cases each and every year. >> yeah, well, i have to say i have some personal experience of this. julian because there was somebody who'd served a prison sentence for threatening to kill me. he was me. um, and when he was released, know, i released, you know, i was deeply, deeply worried it, deeply, deeply w