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what do you make of these findings by robert hurr to not bring charges because president biden could be sympathetic to a jury and find it difficult to convict. >> big picture this was a terrible day for the anti-trump. concluded joe biden should not be charged when keep in mind joe biden had documents when he was senator and vice president. that is different than the documents donald trump had. donald trump was the commander-in-chief as president and thus had constitutional authority to declassify whatever he wanted, not an authority joe biden had. the fact jack smith indicted president trump and used fbi to raid mar-a-lago and yet they are going to let joe biden get out of jail free card shows a double standard not lost on anyone. this department of justice is helping democrats and joe biden and hurting donald trump. that is not how justice is supposed to work or going between distinct disparity between how the cases are being handled. >> todd: if the doj really consider this serious, they would have charged joe biden regardless his incapacity or mental fitness regardless what hurr

at his home, but hurr said it would be difficult to prosecute the president given the state of his brainiden disagreed with the poor memory thesis. in a special address, he tried for several minutes to convince journalists of his strong mind. biden again misspoke several times, confused egypt with mexico, forgot the name prime minister of israel, but republicans are outraged that biden was not charged with any crimes as a result of the investigation. donald trump has accused the american judicial system of double standards. at least eight people were killed in an israeli airstrike on rafah. this is reported by the palestinian red cross. they turned out to be refugees from khanyunis. the shells hit two residential buildings. attacks on civilian infrastructure in the area have increased. palestinians who arrived in rafah hoping for safety are finding it increasingly difficult to find shelter. now about half the population of the enclave is on the border, said un secretary-general antonio guterres. he emphasized that people no longer know where to go. the attacks on the largest refugee camp

if you read the executive summary of the hurr report, the president retained classified information. what the president say that night? i did not willfully >> reporter: classified information. read deeper into the report, it said as a charging matter, he didn't. we can't charge him for willfully retaining classified documents. okay, what is the truth of than? the executive summary says he did it, later it says it is not chargeable and no one could credibly bring a charge that would be found to produce a guilty verdict based on these facts, mitigating circumstances, memory and other related issues so the people sympathetic to the president say what did you say that for, why did you say he willfully retained classified documents? because it is in the executive summary, that's why we said it. >> we rely on you to discern. >> i'm just saying, in the name of jet bennett's call for transparency, don't think this is something you fall out of bed and can do. it's a 365 page report. and i would say parenthetically, read the part about the presidential records act, not providing any defense fo

hurr made several material distinctions between mr. trump's case and mr. biden's are clear, underlying the evidence involving mr. biden, the allegations set forth in the indictment of mr. trump, if proven, would present serious aggravating fax. michael, is there any validity to this trump argument of selective, vindictive prosecution? >> not on evidence publicly available to us, and on evidence that's not publicly available to us, the hurr report, hurr, as you say, ana, has specifically set forth in his report the distinctions between trump and biden. he says, look, i anticipate someone is going to argue biden got off and i didn't get off. let me tell you why that's not available. he sets it out in great detail and says most importantly, given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, trump allegedly did the opposite. he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he enlisted others to destroy evidence and then lied about it. those are material issues where this motion would be dead on arrive. danny is right,

. >> president biden, defined and lashing out after special counsel robert hurr's report. >> these assumptions are wrong. >> kamala harris came out and slammed the counsel suggesting that politics were involved. >> the way that the president's demeanor and that report was characterized could not be more wrong on the facts, and clearly, politically motivated. gratuitous. we should expect that there would be a higher level of integrity than what we saw. >> the president fully cooperated with the investigation including two days of interviews in the opening days of the israel hamas war. >> you wanted to make sure he had everything he needed. >> the special counsel's investigation, ending without criminal charges, but robert hurr's assessment of biden as a well-meaning old man with a poor memory, putting him in the spotlight. >> the president was fiery in the face of questions last night. >> you responded with the words, watch me. many people have been watching, and they have expressed concern about your age. >> i'm the most qualified person in this country to be president of the united states. >>

hurr put in his report, contrasts between mr.ng documents, and then actually enlisting two other individuals to help hide documents and to lie about it and to destroy evidence. that's very, very different, and mr. hurr points that out, from mr. biden's cooperation from the very beginning. so it's always something relevant to look to see how have other cases been handled. i will note when i first read this report this afternoon, or read the executive summary, i, like maya, have not read the 300-plus pages of the report yet. but the first thing i thought about was david petraeus. david petraeus had kept notebooks. now the difference between his notebooks and president biden's are mr. petraeus' notebooks were from the time when he was in afghanistan, so they were highly classified. it wasn't just sort of a general here's my diary of the day and maybe a few things in it are classified. highly classified. he kept those notebooks. he did not turn them in when he left his military service. and then he shared them knowing they were class

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that it was biden who brought up his late son, not special counsel robert hurr.e need the interview transcripts to prove it one way or the other. are we ever going to see them? >> not those the transcript but the audio. not only did president biden have trouble with recalling events in their interviews with him but you have to remember he has an incentive in an interview to claim he doesn't remember things but in his 2017 interviews with his ghostwriter where he had no incentive to lie he was struggling with memory issues than. that's quite some time ago. we've seen a great deal of decline since then. not just transcript but the audio would be important and the fact that he can't remember from october that he was the one who brought up his son's death and he was the one who struggled from every details about it and lashing out and getting angry at the special counsel even anger is a sign of senility in this case. stuart: jim jordan wants to see biden's interview with his ghostwriter because he reportedly revealed classified information. how bad could this get for

will hurr, the former congressman from texas and a former cia operative, joins me now. welcome back to our program. i'm assuming you think as a republican that the congress should give the aid to ukraine to defend what everybody has said is not just democracy in ukraine, but around the world. >> i've been connected to national security for 22 years, christiane, and i've learned something very simple. your friends should love you and your enemies should fear you. it is very clear, despite what nuts like tucker carlson may say, vladimir putin is an adversary, enemy, and he's focused on one thing. that is taking back ukraine and re-establishing the borders of the ussr. he's not going to stop at ukraine. the united states of america for less than 5% of our entire dod budget, we've been able to help an ally, ukraine, dismantle the russian military. the united states of america has been able to do that without having to send our sons and daughters and spouses to this conflict. so we should absolutely be supporting ukraine because this is a sign to the rest of the world that a

all in all, dana, this is a president and a white house fuming about the fact that robert hurr put outearly 400 pages in this report when, at the end of the day, there were no criminal charges. >> mj, thank you so much. appreciate that great reporting. >>> and toward the end of the president's press conference last night, perhaps making a bad day for himself even worse, he made this error. >> as you know, initially, the president of mexico, cc, did not want to open the gate to allow humanitarian material to get in. i talked to him. i convinced him to open the gate. >> president el sisi is the president of egypt, of course, not mexico. my reporters are here to discuss this with me. david chalian, arlette saenz, and daniel strauss. arlette, you first started covering president biden back when he ran in 2012, i believe. or when he was running for re-election in 2012. you were an embed. you have spent a lot of time with him. can you just kind of put in perspective the day that we saw yesterday and the impact on this white house, on this re-election campaign and on him personally? >> well,

another distinction is robert hurr does not recommend charges because of hitting that stringent standard in o'connell trial of beyond reasonable doubt. he says it looks like these documents were in biden's virginia home when he was a private citizen but there is doubt whether they can pin that down. they don't have contemporaneous evidence. there's questions about what biden new his staff had packed the stuff up. that another difference with the trump case. the documents were found in his possession and he apparently tried to cover that up. paul: the unavoidable topic is the description of president biden's memory. it is frankly deeply concerning to any citizen of the united states who looks at that and says is that where the president is? i wonder what you think the ramifications of that are politically and whether or not this and the president's press conference where he was angry and made not lapses. is this a turning point? >> it is, the weekend was a big moment not merely the report which was devastating enough almost to the point where people wonder what the point of him putting th

>> to speak to that report really quickly, especially special counsel hurr is a republican, a prosecutorcal doctor. >> reporter: he never there is no medical report summer publicans argue there's plenty of evidence president biden is slipping. >> no one thinks biden can do the job because we've watched him. we see him on television. trump did the job and has energy. >> reporter: the democratic cavalry easing concerns about president biden's memory putting it into context. >> as i say it is all relative. what do i have to say about his age? but he is again knowledgeable, wise. >> reporter: nothing on camera for president biden today but the schedule lists a lunch with the vice president, the same vice president who is saying of president biden has an issue and has to drop out, she's ready to lead. stuart: thank you. matthew whitaker joins me now. you say president biden is a dramatic problem for the us presidency. how so? >> a couple reasons. you have a president who is slipping, no doubt, again, don't believe what the white house is telling us, the dhs secretary telling us about having l

at a white house press conference hours after the justice department released special counsel robert hurr'so prosecute biden and describing him as a well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory. congressional republicans demanding the justice department release the transcription recordings of the special counsel's interview with the president as part of their impeachment inquiry. white house counsel's office is the administration will consider the request though there are issues because in that conversation with the special counsel the president discussed classified information. stuart: thank you very much indeed. my next guest is a fourth-generation farmer from virginia blasting their ministration for sending millions of dollars and 80 ukraine well farmers at home he says are still suffering. john, you say we are sending money to ukraine while farmers here face extinction. that's your word. that is a very strong word to me. justify extinction. >> african-american farmers, black farmers are facing extinction. 1 million black farmers, 20 million acres of land this last census that came out la

the reality is that they can now go forward and use robert hurr's own words, are drawing out contract, which they have been doing for some time, the fact that they turned in these classified documents right away to the national archives is something they have talked about. the fact that they consented to the search of multiple locations, that he set for a voluntary interview. he did that the weekend the war broke out. this is the contrast they will continue making. of course, as we were talking about before, does not take away the political ammunition that this gives the president's critics and republicans, including the former president >> let's talk about that now with homes who covers president trump in palm beach, florida. president trump has been given a gift of sorts with the special counsel's reports connoting specifically quote, president biden's diminished faculties and faulty memory, and given specific instances that are crunchy, to use a word, and yet, my guess is that donald trump, instead of seizing upon that, will complain about a two tiered standard of justice and how u

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hurr, there were gratuitous comments and false pieces of information. how is the american public supposed to process this when we live in a world where former president trump asserts that there was politicized process that resulted in his prosecution related to classified documents? for the public, if democrats and this administration say trust the department of justice, trust the institution, but you are all giving -- arguing political cheap shots and false assertions, how are they to process this? ian: i mentioned this a minute ago. when you have the former attorney general, the former acting fbi director, the former general counsel of the fbi, these are experienced people that the justice department who spent decades working at the justice department. they are saying it is gratuitous. they are saying this is inappropriate and inconsistent with doj policy and practice. we agree. you are the president speak forcefully about this last night. you are the vice president speak about this today. we agree it is gratuitous. i have flame -- explained this in t

hurr, there were gratuitous comments and false pieces of information. how is the american public supposed to process this when we live in a world where former president trump asserts that there was politicized process that resulted in his prosecution related to classified documents? for the public, if democrats and this administration say trust the department of justice, trust the institution, but you are all giving -- arguing political cheap shots and false assertions, how are they to process this? ian: i mentioned this a minute ago. when you have the former attorney general, the former acting fbi director, the former general counsel of the fbi, these are experienced people that the justice department who spent decades working at the justice department. they are saying it is gratuitous. they are saying this is inappropriate and inconsistent with doj policy and practice. we agree. you are the president speak forcefully about this last night. you are the vice president speak about this today. we agree it is gratuitous. i have flame -- explained this in t