>> this is the imelda marcos of scandals. there will continue to be shoes to drop. this man was humble, modest, self-effacing. this is the desperate, the guy in charge, -- and for all -- this is the despot, the guy in charge, and control. i pledge to you, parliament, i will find out who is running the company did this is serious and getting more serious by the moment. when you get the superintendent of scotland yard resigning, the prime minister of great britain going to the well to just basically defend himself and his contacts with him, which were more than any other institution or individual and the country, this is a serious, serious story and reality. >> charles? >> the murdochs were on the defensive and had a lot to defend. i thought their presentation was rather good. i think murdoch -- he runs a company that is unbelievably diverse, and this one paper is a relatively small part of it. i am not surprised, and it is plausible that the committee had a sort of accepted his protestations that he was not aware of all of these shenanigans. what i found really inter