well, we continue to talk about isaac immanuilovich babel, and we are having this conversation with elenalumes at the institute of world literature. i’ll ask you this - a classic question for the old days. well, babel’s famous phrase. about the fact that gorky sent me to the people, well , it’s like an allusion to the ending of the story of bitter childhood, when grandfather koshirin says to his grandson, you’re not a medal on my neck, come to the people, yes, then others begin gorkov has two stories, and babel changes a lot of activities, at this time, mm and - i’ll ask you, this is what, but how does he accept the revolution, does not accept it, well, like in soviet times does he relate? to illustrate, babel has essays in the newspaper novaya zhizn, gorky’s newspaper novaya zhizn, famous ones, where we are untimely thoughts, which means essays from the eighteenth year, there is such an essay by evacuees, which begins with the following: there was a factory, in the factory there is no truth, but in unrighteous times times there was steel, there... and so on and so forth, the truth came,

well, we continue to talk about isaac immanuilovich babel, and we are having this conversation with elenasement, the scene of the death of the dutch, dutch-jewish, if you like, philosopher benedict spenoza, well, spinoza came up with a lot, yes, pantheism, i was once very he knew this well, nature naturans, nature naturata, creative nature, nature-created, this man... you know, babel in the second half of the thirties said: “literature consists of three phenomena: firstly, real life, you need to know very well real life, secondly, to forget this real life, thirdly, to blind with such a dazzling light so that this is real life, as it is so well said, but i didn’t know this, where did this come from?” " it begins with two geographical substitutions, not even displacements, but substitutions, yes, the crossing through the harness, firstly, is not a harness at all, novograd lies on the sluch river, this is once, then, allegedly, it means that the obos is moving along the highway running from brest to warsaw, which could not be, because this... the highway far to the west is located from the s

immanuilovich babel, and we are having this conversation with well, we continue to talk about isaac elenathe collected works of babel in five volumes at the institute of world literature. i'll give you this one. a classic question for the old time, well , there is a well-known phrase in babbel that gorky sent me to the people, well, this is like an allusion to the ending of the story of bitter childhood, when grandfather kashirin says to his grandson, you’re not a medal around my neck, come on you’re a people person, yes, then ugorkov’s other two stories begin and babel changes a lot of occupations at this time and... it’s not true, but in unjust times there was steel, there and so on and so forth, the truth came, it was poorly arranged, the steel died, people began to be counted on, so four families were evacuated from the baltic plant, the carriage was put on hold, poorly strengthened or not strengthened at all, and the author of the essay comes, well that is, babel in mertvetskaya, where... not the whole revolution, maybe this is, who knows, this is not a revolution at all, okay, you n

well, we continue to talk about isaac immanuilovich babel, and we are having this conversation with elenaa, who is now working on preparing the collected works of babel in five volumes at the institute of world literature. i'll ask you this - a classic question for the former time, and well, babbeli’s famous phrase that the bitter one sent me to the people, well, this is like an allusion to the ending of the story of the bitter childhood, when grandfather koshirin says to his grandson, you are not a medal on my neck, go to the people, yes, then gorky’s other two stories begin, and babel changes a lot of occupations, at this time. i’ll ask you this: how does he accept the revolution? doesn’t accept it, well, that’s how he feels about soviet times, but of course we don’t live in a time when people were relegated to the right on this basis or left. led astray, yes, created completely, remember, mandelstam says that people knocked out of their biography are like balls from billiard pockets, i just remember this phrase very once, like babel with the revolution and with everything that happened

, well, we continue to talk about isaac immanuilovich babel, and we are having this conversation with elena iosifovna pogorelskaya, who is working now over the preparation of the collected works of babel in five volumes at the world institute. please tell me, babel is still an inventor, an ernik, well, here is a person who strives to make the ordinary unusual, i remember the story in the basement of the death scene of the dutch, dutch-jewish, if you like, the philosopher benedict spinoza, well , spinoza came up with a lot, yes, pantheism, i once knew this very well, natura naturans, natura naturata, creative nature, nature. created, this man, immersed in philosophical abstractions, dies, suddenly at the moment of his death the artist rubens appears, this clearly could not be, this is not that babel modifies his life, rearranges something, this is the 16th century, how to be here , why, why is this being done, well, yes, indeed rubins, who died, if i memory serves 37 years before spinoza's death, however, in babel's story. ends up at the philosopher’s bedside, but you know, babel said

immanuilovich babel, as you, of course, already guessed, and we are talking about babel with elena,a iosifovna, hello, dmitry petrovich, i’m very glad to see you, and you can’t talk about abel in a detached way, well, in my opinion, you can’t just talk in a literary way. what do you think, yes, because that babel, well, seems to require its entire reader, let's think, let's start with this: in the ninety-fourth year there was the centenary of babel, well, in the eighty-ninth year we celebrated the anniversaries of andreevna akhmatova, and in the ninetieth year of pasternak, in the ninety- first year of mandelstam, well that is , centuries of writers followed each other who had such a difficult fate as this... a lot, for example, shortly before the centenary in 1990 it was very difficult, that is... to compare with the last anniversary and 120- anniversary babel, who is probably 125, well, 125 is not celebrated, but 120 years was celebrated, but i will say that during this time, during these 10 years, i managed to come out, yes, now, in general, now, of course , babel is often publis

, i tell our wonderful interlocutors who they are listening to us now, watching, after all, about isaacith babel, after all, did one contradict the other or not, what influenced him? i think it doesn’t contradict, if we talk about, let’s say, a commercial school, let me remind you that alexey remizov also graduated from a moscow commercial school, but probably in that period, that is, not, probably, certainly in that period there was no kind of vocational school. ..

immanuilovich himself, that’s how extraliterary his biography is. correlated with literature, becausese, yes, named after sergei witte, then at odessa, yes, nicholas i then at the kiev commercial institute , where he finds himself in the midst of all sorts of events, the murder of stalypin, and akhmat there. at this time in kiev, i mean, yes, well, like the belis case, the belis case, of course, in these same times the same time, well, a little later, and well, it’s as if babel faces such a classical fate of a person who follows the comic path, well, there were such examples, goncharovich, also a merchant’s son, who spent 10 years in a commercial school, and then went to university , how did this happen to babel? after all, did one contradict the other or not, what influenced him? i think it doesn’t contradict, if we talk about, let’s say , a commercial school, let me remind you that alexey remizov graduated from the moscow commercial school, also and probably in that period, then i don’t think so, i’m sure there wasn’t any kind of professional education for writers at that time, but