(helicopter blades churning) >> jack teixeira. >> jack douglas teixeira. >> jack teixeira. >> the mang highly classified military documents has been found. >> that's him in the red shorts there. >> the 21-year-old massachusetts air national guard member was taken into custody earlier today. (helicopter blades churning) >> this 21-year-old air national guard member is alleged to have disclosed hundreds of top-secret government documents online to his gaming buddies. >> why did he do it? how did he do it? what drove him? who is he? >> narrator: over the xt six mths, reporters at "the washington post" would investigate jack teixeira's wor. it largely played out online. >> our whole team was working on this, creating networks, basically, of people, based their social media profiles, because they interacted in some way with jack or someone he was connected to. >> narrator: chris dehghanpoor specializes in tracking down sources online. he worked as an information security engineer at a gaming platform before becoming an investigative reporter at "the post." ♪ ♪ >> the first thing i tried to

(helicopter blades churning) >> jack teixeira. >> jack douglas teixeira. >> jack teixeira. >> the mang highly classified military documents has been found. >> that's him in the red shorts there. >> the 21-year-old massachusetts air national guard member was taken into custody earlier today. (helicopter blades churning) >> this 21-year-old air national guard member is alleged to have disclosed hundreds of top-secret government documents online to his gaming buddies. >> why did he do it? how did he do it? what drove him? who is he? >> narrator: over the next six months, reporters at "the washington post" would investigate jack teixeira's world. it largely played out online. >> our whole team was working on this, creating networks, basically, of people, based their social media profiles, because they interacted in some way with jack or someone he was connected to. >> narrator: chris dehghanpoor specializes in tracking down sources online. he worked as an information security engineer at a gaming platform before becoming an investigative reporter at "the post." ♪ ♪ >> the first thing i tr

jack: better tax treaty on the dividends and bonds. can avoid a recession that is good for cyclical stocks. >> industrial standout, new all-time highs this week. i think about caterpillar number one. it is expected to see stable to slightly higher volume growth going forward for the next few years it sells a lot of machinery to energy companies and other types of companies so it's very cyclical but the other thing with caterpillar denigrate balanchine generates more than $9 billion in free cash flow every year end buying back stock. get some eps it's trading by 13 times earnings which is nothing compared to the s&p 500 this is a stock if rates fall and the market continues to be confident about earnings for cyclical, cat will do well. jack: carleton let's talk about the oil patch that's an interesting place. >> atop 28 there was an agreement but were not moving away from fossil fuels anytime soon we seen m&a activity and are predicting more. jack: as someone who covers m&a a lot at the boring year end tell you had these deals is tough

jack smith's next move will be to seek enbbanc review. then whoever loses will go to the supreme court. here's the thing, if donald trump loses in the court of appeals, and it seems quite clear he will, technically he has 90 days to go to the supreme court to seek certificate ori. they may choose to take all 90 of those days which completely blows out the march 4th trial date we have right now. there are other ways the court of appeals can let the district court sort of start to do their work without trying the case, but this puts jack smith in a real bind. forget about march. march is in my view off the board. but any time before the summer, at a certain point you get too close to the election to try the case at all. >> elie, you said something really important i don't want glossed over, and that is that jack smith did not get the expedited review he was looking for with the supreme court of the united states, but he's absolutely getting it from the d.c. court of appeals. >> yeah. i think this is a really important point. both judge chut

jack: let's go to a merger much more likely to happen u.s. steel being bought by nippon steel of japan the politicians do not like the looks of that. >> this is one area where both sides of the aisle have an agreement on fetterman and vance both opposing deals on the very issue of the u.s. steel company belonging a japanese hands. there is one thing to keep in mind several things to keep in mind which is the size of the u.s. steel industry. it's tough to say is not what it once was people talking about u.s. steel there invoking andrew carnegie and the original j.p. morgan and i have to be careful and from pennsylvania and i have family members that worked in the steel industry but this is a 15 billion-dollar deal. i when it turned on $15 billion in the scope of the u.s. economy is not that instrumental to the functioning of the economy in japan as an ally and when we think about deals we were worried on the cross-border transaction were not talking about the technology transfer and japanese still has better than the u.s. jack: that has gone n

jack: i want to diagram next time to explain that.ts two monday night football games going on simultaneously these days but a lot of other action mark cuban selling the team, break that down. >> about going on mark cuban sold his majority stake in the mavericks but still retains operation and control if you need a diagram i needed diagram for that part of the reasons for selling is economics of the media business is not there he is looking to get more revenue from real estate, sports betting as well that is one that we have going on but we also have sherry brad stone possibly selling her stake in paramount some reports suggesting that, reducing the economics of the tv business are not there, if you look at what happened the past summer were charter communications lost 100,000 cable subscribers when it took off espn and other disney channels during the summer right before monday night football and during the u.s. open, thankfully i was able to watch the u.s. open. jack: a would not look at actionable ideas allen you got one. >> i like

this feeds right into jack smith's case. that the then president who was not acting as president of the united states, he was just trying to cling to power. >> jack smith made a big point about the former president trying to disenfranchise millions of voters. there was a situation right there in detroit michigan. >> allegations again but those will be tested in trial. that trial where both sides would be able to present their case is no months away. >> what is your take away from this? this came down pretty quickly. if i'm not mistaken jack smith asked once, then asked again and said, hey, we really need you to give us something on this. the supreme court said, okay. >> the supreme court actually gave these tight deadline to both sides to weigh in before making this decision. it was clear that somebody, john roberts, perhaps others, on the court did want to at least take a look at this and decide whether to consider this for request. what we see here now is well, we know that the appeals court has also decided to move very q

jack smith decided not to play that game. at 12:30 pm today, jack smith filed a petition directly to the united states supreme court, asking the supreme court to use its power to reach down and take this case off of the appeals court docket for immediate consideration by the supreme court. at the same time, jack smith filed a backup motion with the appeals court to expedite the appeal at the appeals court level if the supreme court refuses to take the case at this stage. and just five hours later, the supreme court responded favorably to jack smith, and a half hour after that, the court of appeals responded favorably to jack smith. the united states supreme court issued an order saying the court granted jackson its request to consider taking the case on an expedited basis. the supreme court has not decided to take the case, but has decided to consider jack smith's argument that the supreme court should take the case. the supreme court then gave donald trump's lawyers until next wednesday, december 20th, four pm, to file and r

jack: i want to diagram next time to explain that. into sports two monday night football games going on simultaneously these days but a lot of other action mark cuban selling the team, break that down. >> about going on mark cuban sold his majority stake in the mavericks but still retains operation and control if you need a diagram i needed diagram for that part of the reasons for selling is economics of the media business is not there he is looking to get more revenue from real estate, sports betting as well that is one that we have going on but we also have sherry brad stone possibly selling her stake in paramount some reports suggesting that, reducing the economics of the tv business are not there, if you look at what happened the past summer were charter communications lost 100,000 cable subscribers when it took off espn and other disney channels during the summer right before monday night football and during the u.s. open, thankfully i was able to watch the u.s. open. jack: a would not look at actionable ideas allen you got one.

. >> we are starting this hour with breaking news and out of the supreme court, special counsel jackw responding to donald trump's legal team about the federal elections case. the special council is pushing high court even more now to take this matter up quickly, and we will get over to joan biskupic which have details that are truly just coming in. >> yes, the donald trump subversion case has just submitted another filing to the supreme court doubling down on the imperative of the supreme court to take this case up now before waiting for another court to handle it. the question is whether former president donald trump is immune from criminal prosecution for election subversion arising from the 2020 election right as we head into the 2024 election. what he is trying to do here, the special counsel jack smith, is to counter what donald trump's lawyer said yesterday. they said, supreme court, no need to take this case up hastily, and it needs to go to the appellant court first, which is, kate, the normal processes, and yesterday, trump's lawyers said that jack smith had not made a suff

jack smith decided not to play that game.12:30 pm today, jack smith filed a petition directly to the united states supreme court, asking the supreme court to use its power to reach down and take this case off of the appeals court docket for immediate consideration by the supreme court. at the same time, jack smith filed a backup motion with the appeals court to expedite the appeal at the appeals court level if the supreme court refuses to take the case at this stage. and just five hours later, the supreme court responded favorably to jack smith, and a half hour after that, the court of appeals responded favorably to jack smith. the united states supreme court issued an order saying the court granted jackson its request to consider taking the case on an expedited basis. the supreme court has not decided to take the case, but has decided to consider jack smith's argument that the supreme court should take the case. the supreme court then gave donald trump's lawyers until next wednesday, december 20th, four pm, to file and reply

jack: i want to diagram next time to explain that. heavily into sports two monday night football games going on simultaneously these days but a lot of other action mark cuban selling the team, break that down. >> about going on mark cuban sold his majority stake in the mavericks but still retains operation and control if you need a diagram i needed diagram for that part of the reasons for selling is economics of the media business is not there he is looking to get more revenue from real estate, sports betting as well that is one that we have going on but we also have sherry brad stone possibly selling her stake in paramount some reports suggesting that, reducing the economics of the tv business are not there, if you look at what happened the past summer were charter communications lost 100,000 cable subscribers when it took off espn and other disney channels during the summer right before monday night football and during the u.s. open, thankfully i was able to watch the u.s. open. jack: a would not look at actionable ideas allen you g

jack smith is basically calling his bluff. he's saying, if you think you have immunity, let's go to the ultimate decider now. it's bold but i think it's what's required. if you have a delay here, i think it's president trump would never see a day in the courtroom if he wins the presidency. >> how do you think the courtesies this. you have been on the other side of the trump delay tactic. they don't shy away from it. they openly acknowledge this is a tactic of theirs, to delay this past the election. how do you think the supreme court looks at this? >> you know, in our own experience in litigating to the supreme court in trying to obtain trump's tax returns, first of all, the -- every court at every level treated it seriously. the district court, appellate court, second circuit, and the supreme court in terms of moving the case in its calendar. i think they will treat this as a serious issue. i don't know how they come out, but i do think that they will -- they understand the importance and the timing of smith's request. and i

i think jack smith ought to say it or not. first of all, if jack smith is try ining to get this case trie before the election and he clearly is, that is political. the counter argument would be, well, jack smith just wants the american voters to have resolution before they go to the ballot box. i understand that. as a voter, i would like to know. but here's the problem with that argument. jack smith doesn't just want to get this trial done and let the chips fall where they may and let the consequences be what they can be. he's the prosecutor. he believes this case. he wants this case to result in conviction. so his position isn't just, well, i want this case tried before the election. his position really is i want donald trump convicted before the election. i have no problem with the first part of that. it's his job to want and try to convict donald trump. but the second part of that, before the election, that's where its crosses the line to the political, in my view. >> chat gpt tells me, so take it with a grain of salt, betw

jack smith's calling his bluff.basically saying, if you really think you have immunity, let's go to the ultimate decider now, and i think that's a good move here. it's bold, but it's what's required. because if you have a delay here, i think it's likely that president trump will never see a day in court room if he was a presidency. >> reporter: how do you think the court sees this? you've been on the other side of the trump delaying tactic. they don't shy away from it, the openly acknowledge it. that it's a tactic of there is to delay this past the election. how do you think the supreme court looks at this? >>> in our own experience of litigating to the supreme court and trying to obtain trump's tax returns, first of all, every court at every level treated it seriously. the district court, the pellet, court the second circuit, and the supreme court in terms of moving the case in its calendar. so i think they will treat this as a serious issue. i don't know how they come out, but i do think they will -- they understa

>> i want to tie up what a heavy lift this was for jack smith. it normally takes four votes and in this case to jump over the appellate court, it takes five. when you look at the make-up of of this, it was a tough audience. they were ready to come in to solve the nixon and watergate tapes, and we do not know what the vote was behind the scene. they did not reveal the vote if anybody dissented. perhaps someone was writing a dissent and decided not to make that public. i'm sure chief justice roberts did not want any dissent public. and in terms of the arguments, there were competing arguments of just how the court understands this case. trump's lawyers really stressed the political calendar saying look at what's happening here. you will be coming in and looking partisan to your point about, you know, do they want to appear that way? where jack smith talked about irrespective of the politics of the day, think of what your role is and try to get them on the role they have. in this day and age, it's hard to be considered without the political calendar

jack serves everyone. he welcomes people of all backgrounds and face and will gladly serve people from all walks of life. but as a creative professional, which is typical across creative expressions, he cannot express every message requested of him and cannot celebrate every request. he does not create cakes celebrating halloween where violence or anti-american messages or divorce. were cakes that denigrate other people. he would not create any of those things and that is his right as a creative professional to make those choices and decisions. he does not deserve the cruelty of over a decade of litigation for trying to peacefully run his business in a way that is consistent with his faith. no american should endure that type of bullying or be banished from the marketplace. in january this year, colorado court of appeals ruled against him and said custom artwork is not protected speech. but the colorado supreme court this last week has agreed to hear his case. the case ought to be readily dealt with in lig

but jack smith has already eviscerated that policy.very filing he makes he's been trying to get this trial before super tuesday, before the general election, so he's really flipped the script here. and i think that that's going to become more and more problematic for jack smith as he gets closer to the general election itself. because once again, people are going to be asking why, why are you doing this? and you have to be able to say something other than this is a really important case. because there's lots of important cases. the question is, why is it important to try it before the election? and the best he can come up with is the voters should know if the president -- if a candidate is a felon. but once again, that policy that you noted, john, is -- is set to avoid that, the department of justice does not want their cases to influence elections. because even if trump is convicted, there are major appellate issues that would have to be litigated and any conviction could easily be thrown out. so, there's a long road ahead for jack sm

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but for the criminal cases with jack smith, it's not clear if jack smith has this tape. he probably does, or he might, because he had such a wide reaching investigation. it's clearly powerful evidence. trump's own voice, and it fits a pattern. as you mentioned in the top, pam, georgia, arizona, michigan, one state after another. trying to twist peoples arms, pressure them to break their oaths to the constitution. pressure them to overturn results of a lawful election, in jack smith's words, trump tried to disenfranchise millions of voters by doing things just like this. >> yeah, and for context for our viewers, trump would've had to have three states flipped, three states that voted for biden legally, they would've had to have three states flipped in order for him to actually win unlawfully. so, that's important context, as you look at the pattern around these phone calls these various states. has the former president or ronna mcdaniel responded to this reporting? >> you know, it's pretty incredible that they put out a response so quickly. clearly, this is something that

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jack smith's ruling to that case. jack smith was one of the prosecutors in this case but this is something the trump has been harping on for a long time. i think when it actually shows is the trouble that the trump legal team knows it has with the fact that we are going to the supreme court because they have to effectively make the argument to the supreme court well actually should wait for the appeals court to see if you take it up or not. i think that's a very narrow line for them to go down. >> i kneel i think it's fair to say that this supreme court has become politicized in the eyes of many americans. and obviously, donald trump believes are least he is saying all these charges against him are just political persecution. how do you think the court is going to handle this? you've got three people on that bench that donald trump is responsible for? >> yes, there were three people in the nixon case that nixon had himself appointed. one took himself out, the other two ruled against nixon. similarly here, i find that

jack smith. and jack smith today asked the supreme court again, move quickly, he says. bypass the appeals process. give a ruling on whether trump is immune from the alleged crimes he committed in office regarding efforts to overturn the 2020 election. the question is, professor, will jack smith prevail? will the supreme court move on this? >> i think he will. whether the supreme court actually leapfrogs the court of appeals or decides that because the court of appeals is now moving on the fastest imaginable track that it can wait a few days, is really beside the point. the question is will jack smith get a final ruling from the united states supreme court rejecting the quite extreme claims of absolute immunity for essentially everything he did while president. and i think the answer is it will get the ruling because the supreme court, whatever its ideological leanings, recognizes that the people of the united states are entitled to get an answer before the election to the question, are we voting for someone who committed grave crimes while in office. crimes that involve

jack smith's ruling to that case.ith was one of the prosecutors in this case but this is something the trump has been harping on for a long time. i think when it actually shows is the trouble that the trump legal team knows it has with the fact that we are going to the supreme court because they have to effectively make the argument to the supreme court well actually should wait for the appeals court to see if you take it up or not. i think that's a very narrow line for them to go down. >> i kneel i think it's fair to say that this supreme court has become politicized in the eyes of many americans. and obviously, donald trump believes are least he is saying all these charges against him are just political persecution. how do you think the court is going to handle this? you've got three people on that bench that donald trump is responsible for? >> yes, there were three people in the nixon case that nixon had himself appointed. one took himself out, the other two ruled against nixon. similarly here, i find that question

but for the criminal cases with jack smith, it's not clear if jack smith has this tape. he probably does or he might because he had such a wide reaching investigation. but it's clearly powerful evidence. trump's own voice. and it fits a pattern. as you mentioned in the top, pam, georgia, arizona, michigan, one state after another trying to twist people's arms, pressure them to break their oaths to the constitution. pressure them to overturn results of a lawful election. in jack smith's words, trump tried to disenfranchise millions of voters by doing things just like this. >> yeah. and for context for our viewers, trump would have had to have three states flip. three states that had voted for biden legally, he would have had to have three states flip in order for him to actually win unlawfully. so that's important context as you look at the pattern around these phone calls in these various states. has the former president or ronna mcdaniel responded to this reporting? >> you know, it's pretty incredible they put out a response so quickly. clearly this is something that ha

, which would be what jack smith would not want. robert ray, thank you, elie honig, thank you. i'll see you sooner on this other breaking news about rudy giuliani whose financial troubles just got worse tonight. >>> also up next what colorado voters are telling gary tuchman about the ballot ruling. >>> and the newest threat from iceland still erupting and still a dangerous volcano just ahead on "360." . >>> at the top of the program you heard president biden rule in that the former president is an insurrectionist. before the break, our legal panel had plenty to say. and right now, what a group of colorado voters make of all of this. our gary tuchman did the asking. >> reporter: this coffee shop in colorado goes by the simple name of coffee. and it's here we have a simple question for customers. tell me your gut feeling. do you think it's a good thing the colorado supreme court did that or not a good thing? >> you know, i'm not the biggest fan of trump, but i don't think people should be taken off the ballot necessarily. >> this man

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democrats are still preventing a deal to stop the plow in the border, we have news about special counsel jack smith who thinks he run the supreme court. that president biden, ag merrick garland and mr. smith, district judge chutkan and others are fighting against the, team biden thinks that mr. there ytrump does not have immunity and they will throw him in jail for 750 years,o he could not run for president. he could beat biden from jail. consider this, a poll, from des moines, iowa register with 35 days until caucuses shows that 73% of likely iowa g.o.p. caucus-goers, believe that trump beats biden despite legal issues. back in october it was 65%. and mr. trump has a 32 point lead over governor desantis and a 35 point lead over netflix. -- nikki haley and mr. biden has a few legal issues of his own now, i'm no lawyer, but i don't think that supremes will touch jack smith's request before the presidential election. probably more important, recent "wall street journal" report poll from first time in this poll, shows president trump beating biden by 4 percentage points, and former president lea

he's going after jack smith now. i think we're seeing trump and his back against the wall. is there danger in that? sure. we can talk about the fact that our christmas he right go to hell, so maybe you truly has lost it. but it does give us cause for danger and concern. he is currently an economic with joe biden. some polls have him ahead. this is an indicator when he says that he is running for retribution that he will do what he says he's going to do. what would he do today if he was in office with the power to use the department of justice for his own means? i think we know where his frame of mind is. we know what his intent is. if -- mar-a-lago >>, your lawyer here. what are you gleaning from what jack smith is basically saying in this latest filing about the evidence he has? we know we're in discovery now. i want to read a quote from the filing. let me know if you think about it. the government anticipates calling witnesses was knowledge of information protected by certain privileges, including the attorney client privilege and the speech or debate privilege. i don't k

jack smith's team made those concessions in their own briefing. jack smith's team went to get ahead of this. they've gone to the supreme court. they went monday to skip the d.c. circuit and go straight to the supreme court. >> can i slow you down, christie. when you say the smith team made a concession, are you referring to them saying jurisdiction would be paused? explain what you mean. >> they seem to concede the fact that the trial at least would be stayed pending appellate review in their papers. you know, i think they saw this coming, that not only the trial would be stayed, but also the pretrial proceedings and they wanted to get ahead of this and get an immediate appellate review, not only the supreme court, but they also went to the d.c. court in case the supreme court says, no, we're not doing this. they're not sitting on their hands. they're moving with haste to get this issue, very discrete issue, on appeal, presidential immunity and double jeopardy heard as quickly as possible. the judge said today importantly those deadlines are on ho

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how much does this set back jack smith?this is definitely a setback for jack smith who had hoped to leapfrog the court of appeals and go straight to the supreme court. he will have to first litigate the matter in the d.c. circuit court of appeals. in the meantime, since he filed this request with the supreme court, the d.c. circuit said they would hear the question on an expedited basis. they have set oral argument in the case for january 9th. if they decide fairly quickly, then we could be back at the supreme court maybe in a month or so, if the court acts quickly or it could be that they take their time and we don't decide the case until june, in which case, the trial will be delayed by that amount. i think the march 4th trial date is in some trouble now. that doesn't mean it can't be tried before the election. we're looking more at a summer trial instead of a spring trial. >> which potentially affects the elector, barbara. i mean, how long would a trial like this take? >> i have assumed it would take about two months, th

jack smith today asking the supreme court to immediately just weigh in and decide whether jack smith'sen thus far, where he won a ruling -- trump as a former president is not immune from potentially going on trial, that he should go through the normal course and not have the whole thing tossed. so jacks mitt the saying, we won, we don't want to wait for the usual longer delays of an appeals process. get the supreme court in. the court agreeing to consider the issue, setting a deadline for trump to respond by december 20th. meaning, on the timeline, jack smith is getting his way. whether he'll get the result he wants is an open question. i'm gonna put that daniel enjoys in a moment. smith says this case prevents -- nixon watergate president, where the court did also move things along. swiftly, compelling then president nixon to hand over the secret audiotapes. smith, backed by the doj here, is arguing that this case has similarly consequential, i should say consequential issues of presidential privilege. the move comes after many filings over the whole course of this, including this wee

let's jacks mitt saying let's skip that, identifies a weak space in jack smith's. argument jack smith would say in quarter in his brief that the reason he wants to speed this up is because he wants to try donald trump before the election. instead what jack smith gives us in his brief is a bunch of vague gibberish where he says well, delay is bad and speed is good and we need speed because of the important because we don't want to live. donald trump's team quite effectively says that's not a specific reason. they have to give a specific reason, that's just vague, you shouldn't grant that unless they say the specific reason. and i think trump's team knows full where there's no way interject smith will ever acknowledge that if the election. i think jack smith is counting on and hoping the supreme court will read between the lines and get the win quake hair. but i think it's a coin toss as to whether the supreme court does with this one. >> they're big on jack smith not immediately admitting that, which would look political. which jacks mitt would not want. robert ray,

jack smith actually was shine to, as you know, speed it up. your thoughts on all of that and what we expect to be, if this trend line continues, in an election year next, year iowa caucus next month, january appeals board, january 9th appeals hearing on this, all of this stuff will keep kicking around? >> it's pretty busy for a slow news day, right? first of all, jack smith filed that motion, he was 100% on target, ari. that and all of those points that trump might try to make or his attorneys much art to make during the trial are completely irrelevant as to whether or not he is guilty as charged. it's irrelevant what his thoughts are about joe biden or whether he thinks the prosecution is political. where the challenge will be, will judge chutkan be able to shut down his attorneys as they tried to make those arguments anyways, in defiance of her order. that's what i anticipate happening. it's a showdown that has occurred in many criminal trials. his offense defense attorneys want to assert irrelevant, unimportant factoids in the trial to try

u leaders so much jack, great to see. so rig breakthrough in brussels despite the, let's call it a bumpy ride to get their e leaders agreeing to opening session talks with ukraine. so what more can you tell us? so yeah, it's been a crazy one. hi. popular was we've seen today is something that we never really see in these e. you lead us on that more than others to do is to get this across the line with. i'm hungry is vito that isn't to say that the hungry is probably minutes of it. to old on is in favor of this plan to open a session tools with ukraine. what we know happened is that he left the room when the agreement was to be voted on. so that $26.00 of the use $27.00 leaders agreed to it. but he, we understand as an initiative of the job in terms of the uh, like shows left the room so that he could save face that he didn't approve this plan. the ukraine to be granted at the opening of the negotiations. but that he would that for what's known a sort of technical time is a constructive abstention. this means he can go bac

jack smith actually was trying to, as you know, speed it up. your thoughts on all of that and what we expect to be, if this trend line continues, in an election year next year, iowa caucus next month, january appeals board, january 9th appeals hearing on this, all of this stuff will keep kicking around? >> it's pretty busy for a slow news day, right? first of all, jack smith when he filed that motion, he was 100% on target, ari. that and all of those points that trump might try to make or his attorneys might try to make during the trial are completely irrelevant as to whether or not he is guilty as charged. it's irrelevant what his thoughts are about joe biden or whether he thinks the prosecution is political. where the challenge will be, will judge chutkan be able to shut down his attorneys as they tried to make those arguments anyways, in defiance of her order. that's what i anticipate happening. it's a showdown that has occurred in many criminal trials. his defense attorneys want to insert irrelevant unimportant factoids in the trial to try