but such one, i guess right now, jackie sean, do with an independent avalanche. now joining us here on how to international jackie's on the far left off the screen last lot. so b, e is in the middle of the screen and the model is that lawyer and lecture of the university of south africa. and then by same quarterly on the far right of the screen that leading a publishing. and businessman, from a politician just finishing up a small snack as i say, all 3 of you track them in a very welcome. thank you very much for coming on the program. today. it is a very big day. the world is watching the, the i, c, j. at the hague, i'm not to if i can come to you 1st, today's hearing without a doubt, i mean, a lot of people are watching this. so your thoughts, if indeed the un view and quote would even implement any interim emergency measures . and what do you think they could look like? that's what it is. i think it's something 1st one is that he's in a bubble with him in case we do a thing about them, is it an inspection? does exceed the push folds of the case that this sort o