jasper johns, jackson pollock.per johns gave him, and so, you know, he's a san franciscan. he was born and raised there. >> charles, one of the -- >> by the way, that's pretty good payment, katty. >> yeah. i think for this morning's show, if you could just send me a jasper johns -- that would be fine. >> if i could do what i can, i'll call you later. >> so we're really lucky here in d.c., the glenstone museum just outside washington and maryland, there are a couple of serra pieces. they're always my favorites. i go straight for them, and i think what always amazes me about his work is that it's so big and solid and steel, and yet it's ethereal and almost spiritual. there's a kind of religious quality, and i'm not a religious person, but i feel like i do when i go into a cathedral. i just -- the way he combines those two opposing forces is always what i love about his work. >> it's grace and stability in a unique way, right? >> grace and stability. >> and so you know, his art, what's interesting about his sculptures