james orr and ella whelan remain alongside me. let's cut straight to the chair, shall we?arenting? between what you should be doing at home and what the state should be doing? reason, i ask. you'll be familiar with the fact yesterday .laboun familiar with the fact yesterday . labour. we're talking about perhaps all children getting free breakfast at school. so now school is going to be feeding them all sorts of day. now looking at actually supervised toothbrushing . i mean, where are toothbrushing. i mean, where are the parents in this l.a? >> well , they're not trusted by >> well, they're not trusted by laboun >> well, they're not trusted by labour, that's for sure. i mean, given kids a few extra bits of toast at school, no one really argue with that. sounds like a very nice thing. but the messaging behind it on a lot of people would argue with that . people would argue with that. >> a lot of people. >> a lot of people. >> what i mean is what i mean is, you know, it's not a removal of choice, is it? but the message behind it is that parents can't be trusted to feed their