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prosecutor jay bratt said in court today, that is the sort of thing that would show you he knew these weren't personal records. >> he also >> knew the law. and so these arguments that the trump team is making today should not be able to get the case tossed. we're still going to wait to see what else the judge has to say. it's very likely she'll write some lengthy opinion on these motions and other motions trump has made in court to try and get the case out from this courthouse. but we will see if she says anything more today that indicates which way she's leaning. >> all right. we'll be looking for that. we know you'll be following at kaitlan and paul, obviously, trump's words have played such a key role in so many cases from e jean carroll, the he's there. the georgia election subversion case with the find the votes call. what about the factor it's going to be in this case, it's such a big factor that tape that audio recording is such a critical piece of evidence. we broke the story that that tape existed and i remember talking to lawyers who were on his team at the time. they only f
prosecutor jay bratt said in court today, that is the sort of thing that would show you he knew these weren't personal records. >> he also >> knew the law. and so these arguments that the trump team is making today should not be able to get the case tossed. we're still going to wait to see what else the judge has to say. it's very likely she'll write some lengthy opinion on these motions and other motions trump has made in court to try and get the case out from this courthouse. but...
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they need that last one seems it seems maybe potentially farfetched, but also at one point, jay bratt, who is the prosecutor for the special counsel, >> he was actually at mar-a-lago, the de that it was rated, he said that a justice department policy that discourages public investigative actions 60 days before an election doesn't apply here because that implies two indictments or for, or starting an investigation. but given donald trump was charged so long ago in this case, that that's not relevant to you agree with that >> he's technically right. i don't think that it's right that it's not relevant. i think the same policy problems that arise with having the investigation within 60 days or the election or even amplified by having a trial. so i think he's technically right about the policy, but i think the policy ought to be applied to a trial. >> and david, you're from the south. let me ask you on what we were watching today happening in georgia. do you think the defense attorneys have met their burden in here and arguing that fani willis, the district attorney, should be disqualifie
they need that last one seems it seems maybe potentially farfetched, but also at one point, jay bratt, who is the prosecutor for the special counsel, >> he was actually at mar-a-lago, the de that it was rated, he said that a justice department policy that discourages public investigative actions 60 days before an election doesn't apply here because that implies two indictments or for, or starting an investigation. but given donald trump was charged so long ago in this case, that that's...
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she did, however, raised the issue of the so-called 60 day rule special counsel, prosecutor jay bratt said the doj policy does not apply to cases that have already been charged and that the department had reviewed the policy to ensure they were in compliance the trial date in the january 6 case will be set by judge chutkan, not the doj but rest assured, trump will continue with his delay tactics, hoping that he will win the election and either have doj stop the prosecution or self-pardon the way the doj influences the trial date will be in either agreeing or opposing trump's delay tactics. so here's the question for merrick garland does the policy which avoids an appearance of politics in investigative steps or criminal charges extend to actually trying a case. arguably the investigation is over. the criminal charges they've already been filed. so prosecuting trump in the leadup to the presidential election would not tell technically run afoul of those doj docs, like jay bratt said yesterday in the mar-a-lago case nevertheless, does merrick garland want the perception of putting a for
she did, however, raised the issue of the so-called 60 day rule special counsel, prosecutor jay bratt said the doj policy does not apply to cases that have already been charged and that the department had reviewed the policy to ensure they were in compliance the trial date in the january 6 case will be set by judge chutkan, not the doj but rest assured, trump will continue with his delay tactics, hoping that he will win the election and either have doj stop the prosecution or self-pardon the...
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so there's still some possibility that might happen, even despite what jay bratt saying, i heard you saying aha, judge, i'm i'm guessing if merrick garland did that and we're obviously they talking in hypotheticals here. there would be just a little bit of blowback from people in his party. >> there'd be a lot of glue back. there'll be a lot of blowback. i think that that if they tried to start sometime in september knowing they'd be finished in october. i think that would be okay. anything that would carry the case beyond and election day, that's going to be a problem. and i think the american ireland will have to step in and say the policy applies. >> but let's broaden this out a little bit and just to give our viewers a sense that they can look at some of what we're talking about on a calendar. first, let's just start with later. what is now this month? we're in march. march 25. that's when a totally different trial. the new york criminal trial starts. that has to do with out. that's the alvin bragg case. then the week of april 22, that is going to be a big one that's when the sup
so there's still some possibility that might happen, even despite what jay bratt saying, i heard you saying aha, judge, i'm i'm guessing if merrick garland did that and we're obviously they talking in hypotheticals here. there would be just a little bit of blowback from people in his party. >> there'd be a lot of glue back. there'll be a lot of blowback. i think that that if they tried to start sometime in september knowing they'd be finished in october. i think that would be okay....
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you're having jay bratt do all the argument. the guy that authored all of this mess is kinda left on his own to either have a nice day of winning or absorb all the blame for the misconduct. >> just to keep this big picture for people who don't know who jay bratt is. obviously he's a prosecutor working for the justice department. what she denied today had to do with the espionage act. she said, essentially the trump team's argument would have been extraordinary for her to rule an agree with them on this, but the other one that they were arguing today, the other motion to dismiss had to do with the presidential records act and you and i have actually talked about this before. and essentially the ability that trump has to decide what records or personal what belongs to the government. here's what you've said before about that. >> if you must a personalize them under the presidential records act, that is his right. and that doesn't lead to criminal investigations than ever has she. >> said today that that decision judge cannon would
you're having jay bratt do all the argument. the guy that authored all of this mess is kinda left on his own to either have a nice day of winning or absorb all the blame for the misconduct. >> just to keep this big picture for people who don't know who jay bratt is. obviously he's a prosecutor working for the justice department. what she denied today had to do with the espionage act. she said, essentially the trump team's argument would have been extraordinary for her to rule an agree...
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special counsel attorney jay bratt said the trial do even take place in the fall arguing that his team is in full compliance with the doj policy that says prosecutors should not take investigative steps, criminal charges, or statements for the purpose of affecting any election. the supreme court has put a pause on trump's other federal criminal case in washington, d.c. where he is accused of trying to overturn the results of the 2020 election. the justice also decide before july whether trump can even face charges based on presidential immunity is. >> if you don't have immunity for a president, and i'm not talking only me. if you don't have immunity for a president, you will not be able to function properly. you will not be able to do the right thing for the country. >> bret, each side estimates their case will take about five weeks to present, meaning that a trial, if it kicks off somewhat in mid august, it could wrap up around election time in early november. bret? >> bret: david spunt live in fort pierce, florida. david, thanks. the biden administration is stepping up efforts to pro
special counsel attorney jay bratt said the trial do even take place in the fall arguing that his team is in full compliance with the doj policy that says prosecutors should not take investigative steps, criminal charges, or statements for the purpose of affecting any election. the supreme court has put a pause on trump's other federal criminal case in washington, d.c. where he is accused of trying to overturn the results of the 2020 election. the justice also decide before july whether trump...
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jay bratt telling cannon doj's unofficial 60-day policy on taking steps that could affect an election apply to any cases that have already led to criminal charges. of course, that includes this pun. joining our conversation, former deputy assistant attorney general for national security mountain nbc legal analyst and former top national security official department of justice, and still with us, david jolly. brandon, let me start with you and let me actually, because i'm sort of, i didn't go to law school and i regretted, drained from the week's news content. let me turn to the national security side of the story. you've been ex-kwez it lit elegant on. former prime minister had to say malcolm turnbull on the show yesterday about just the specter of a second trump presidency. >> imagine countries being reluctant to share their intelligence with our country? >> well, you could. i think it's, you know, puts enormous stress on relationships. you know, the very good friend of mine david petraeus often observed the only thing worse than fighting a war with allies is fighting a war without o
jay bratt telling cannon doj's unofficial 60-day policy on taking steps that could affect an election apply to any cases that have already led to criminal charges. of course, that includes this pun. joining our conversation, former deputy assistant attorney general for national security mountain nbc legal analyst and former top national security official department of justice, and still with us, david jolly. brandon, let me start with you and let me actually, because i'm sort of, i didn't go to...
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prosecutor jay bratt told the court that when it comes to that policy, quote, we are in full compliance. judge cannon is expected to schedule at least one more hearing in this case, and then she will also likely put a date on the calendar. now, she didn't seem open to placing this his case in july, so likely be put on the calendar in august at the earliest, but that date is not a guarantee that trump lawyers or even the prosecutors could always come back and try to push it back. back further. >> so this >> point, it is still unclear if former president trump will face either one of the special counsel's federal cases before the november presidential election? jen paula reid, cnn, fort pierce, florida, or was a heated exchange between us senator joe manchin and climate activists have a look here. >> joe manchin for soledar. theaters and you've gotten rich doing it. you sick >> you can see one protester getting thrown to the ground after confronting mentioned, according bring to the harvard crimson, the near-brawl happened when six demonstrators from the group climate defiance, interrupte
prosecutor jay bratt told the court that when it comes to that policy, quote, we are in full compliance. judge cannon is expected to schedule at least one more hearing in this case, and then she will also likely put a date on the calendar. now, she didn't seem open to placing this his case in july, so likely be put on the calendar in august at the earliest, but that date is not a guarantee that trump lawyers or even the prosecutors could always come back and try to push it back. back further....
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60 days before an election does not apply to cases where charges had already been filed prosecutor jay bratt told the court that when it comes to that policy, quote, we are in full compliance. >> judge cannon is >> expected to schedule at least one more hearing in this case, and then she will also likely put a date on the calendar now, she didn't seem open to placing this case in july, so likely be put on the calendar in august at the earliest, but that date is not a guarantee. the trump lawyers or even the process uterus could always come back and try to push it back further. so this point, it is still unclear if former president trump will face either one of the special counsel's federal cases before the november presidential election paula reid, cnn, fort pierce, florida. >> all right, paula reid, thanks so much for that reporting and former federal prosecutor, renato mariotti joins us now. >> we're >> not we just had paul allay a lot of that out. but bottom line is we have multiple trials, condensed calendar, which we're showing ever everyone right now. how do you see this? all unf
60 days before an election does not apply to cases where charges had already been filed prosecutor jay bratt told the court that when it comes to that policy, quote, we are in full compliance. >> judge cannon is >> expected to schedule at least one more hearing in this case, and then she will also likely put a date on the calendar now, she didn't seem open to placing this case in july, so likely be put on the calendar in august at the earliest, but that date is not a guarantee. the...
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prosecutor jay bratt told the court that when it comes to that policy, quote, we are in full compliance and paula reid joins now from the courthouse. is it clear if and when judge cannon will set a new trial date >> so it's not clear when we're going to get her decision, anderson, but she strongly signaled today she doesn't tend to move this case back. but you described a july date is being, quote, unreasonable. so i would expect that she will move this on the calendar to august at the earliest but i would also expect if she does that, the trump lawyers will likely come back between now and then and try to push it back even further. that is the game they have been playing, tried to push this back until after the election even if you have to do it in little pieces. >> paula reid, stay with us. want to bring in retired federal judge, nancy gertner, currently a senior law lecturer at harvard, also federal prosecutor and bestselling supreme court biographer jeffrey toobin i mean, it's judge cannon is she fully in the trump camp? >> i mean, you know, she's been criticized even by the conserv
prosecutor jay bratt told the court that when it comes to that policy, quote, we are in full compliance and paula reid joins now from the courthouse. is it clear if and when judge cannon will set a new trial date >> so it's not clear when we're going to get her decision, anderson, but she strongly signaled today she doesn't tend to move this case back. but you described a july date is being, quote, unreasonable. so i would expect that she will move this on the calendar to august at the...
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and jay bratt from the team said that it doesn't apply to this because the indictments of already happened. he's already been charged here and at that should have no effect on the timing. is that how you see it as well >> that's exactly right and let's just spend a moment. so this policy, again, it's not a regulation is on a statute, but it's a policy for good measure. is that the justice department shouldn't be taking actions, shouldn't be taking investigative actions. >> that good interfere with the election. but in a case where there have been charges, the allegations are out there. these remarkable inflammatory, serious allegations. they are already out there. and what the justice department is saying is there's no there's no interference issue. what we're talking about in terms of having a trial, it's not election pharynx, it's providing election information. it is actually forcing the government to present the facts to a jury. it is hadn't been jury decide this issue if there's any interest in terms of the election, the interest is in fact, having these trials so that the voters have
and jay bratt from the team said that it doesn't apply to this because the indictments of already happened. he's already been charged here and at that should have no effect on the timing. is that how you see it as well >> that's exactly right and let's just spend a moment. so this policy, again, it's not a regulation is on a statute, but it's a policy for good measure. is that the justice department shouldn't be taking actions, shouldn't be taking investigative actions. >> that good...
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. >> and it was evan corcoran, trump's attorney and members of the fbi, jay bratt, which i come to realize now, at the same time, he's going in there. the boxes are going from somewhere into a vehicle which are eventually going to the plane which i load with walt. >> do you ever remember seeing those boxes come back to mar-a-lago? >> i don't i do not >> and then in june, a little bit later, you get a call from carlos telling you that walt is coming to mar-a-lago was actually we we live literally 30 seconds from each other. >> your neighbors were neighbors. >> so we would always go walk and just on the walk, i remember him saying, hey, by the way well, it's come in tomorrow. >> oh cool, that's great i was like, okay wasn't until the following day when we're how walk and he's like, hey, by the way, it's a secret. don't tell anybody waltz coming. >> and well, why >> well, he needs me, he needs me to find something out before he gets here. what's that? >> he needs to be done. you know, how long the camera footage is saved at mar-a-lago. and i'm like oh, that's that's odd. why why do you need t
. >> and it was evan corcoran, trump's attorney and members of the fbi, jay bratt, which i come to realize now, at the same time, he's going in there. the boxes are going from somewhere into a vehicle which are eventually going to the plane which i load with walt. >> do you ever remember seeing those boxes come back to mar-a-lago? >> i don't i do not >> and then in june, a little bit later, you get a call from carlos telling you that walt is coming to mar-a-lago was...
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prosecutor jay bratt told the court that when it comes to that policy, quote, we are but in full compliance. >> judge >> cannon is expected to schedule at least one more hearing, and we should also expect her to put a trial date on the calendar. there didn't seem she was open to doing it in july, i would expect it in august at the earliest but again, they can always come back in july to revisit that date. so it could be tentative and it is still unclear if former president trump will face either one of the special counsel's federal cases before the november presidential contest? victor kristen. paula reid. >> thanks so much with us now for analysis is semaphore reporter shelby talcott. shelby. hello to you. let's go down the list of cases here because there's obviously a trend. the georgia case has been focused on the relationship of da fani willis for weeks. so it'll be weeks until we hear she's disqualified. trump's federal election subversion case was scheduled to start on monday. that's on hold pending the decision from the supreme court on immunity the florida attorneys now when a hear
prosecutor jay bratt told the court that when it comes to that policy, quote, we are but in full compliance. >> judge >> cannon is expected to schedule at least one more hearing, and we should also expect her to put a trial date on the calendar. there didn't seem she was open to doing it in july, i would expect it in august at the earliest but again, they can always come back in july to revisit that date. so it could be tentative and it is still unclear if former president trump...
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bratt, which i come to realize now, at the same time, he's going in there. the boxes are going from somewhere into a vehicle, which are eventually going to the plane which i load with walt how powerful of a witness do you think he'd be if this goes to trial? >> okay. then i'm not in position to comment on the witnesses in the trump case i think like any every case, it's going to depend upon all the witnesses and not just the prosecution's witnesses, but also the defense witnesses in the theory of the defendant lays out so i don't think you can comment on how you think the case is going to come out just based upon one particular witness, the last time that you were on cnn, the immunity case had not yet gone to the supreme court. it is now before the supreme court. they're going to hear arguments on it. >> do you believe the >> president's should have full immunity from any prosecution while they're in office. >> we know kaitlan. my my history i've worked on i'm investigations of president, so i worked at the whitewater investigation. i was responsible for the
bratt, which i come to realize now, at the same time, he's going in there. the boxes are going from somewhere into a vehicle, which are eventually going to the plane which i load with walt how powerful of a witness do you think he'd be if this goes to trial? >> okay. then i'm not in position to comment on the witnesses in the trump case i think like any every case, it's going to depend upon all the witnesses and not just the prosecution's witnesses, but also the defense witnesses in the...
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career public servant, jay bratt, just down here to get the rest of the classified records, sir. donald trump says, i'm an open book, you know, look at whatever you need to. i just want to give you this stuff back. but meanwhile, there are documents in a van heading with brian. he doesn't realize that there's classified national security information inside, but they're being spirited away from the former president's palm beach club at that exact moment pip see the movie. >> i mean, you called trump goti-like yesterday. and if you take classified state secrets out of the boxes and put body parts in it, it's no less dramatic, right? this is someone who was in charge of driving the boxes with the contraband in them. it is haunting to me how he says, yeah, there was this white-haired tall guy i would later learn was the attorney, who ends up turning over his notes to jack smith's prosecutors. this was so many touchpoints to the criminal conduct, both the mishandling and the very, very deliberate intent to obstruct. >> yeah, this is a firsthand witness to, as you said, both the retent
career public servant, jay bratt, just down here to get the rest of the classified records, sir. donald trump says, i'm an open book, you know, look at whatever you need to. i just want to give you this stuff back. but meanwhile, there are documents in a van heading with brian. he doesn't realize that there's classified national security information inside, but they're being spirited away from the former president's palm beach club at that exact moment pip see the movie. >> i mean, you...