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one more thing, they are broke and jenna ellis is broke. so the pressure is also financial pressure to defend this case and what do you do if you're broke and have a lot of pressure? you cooperate where you can and that means that this case increases the already intense pressure on trump. >> pressure bursts pipes. mark, this arizona story is coming out while all of these other trump cases are going on. it feels like a legal tsunami and we are now just over six months from the election. what are voters likely to make of all this? >> well, i think there's a big blur factor to this whole thing. there is a big mob of legal stuff washing over everything, but if you buy the somewhat simplistic notion, if trump is focused on the legal trouble and they aren't focused on things in arizona like the border or inflation, things maybe biden has been vulnerable on, this is all a very, very good set of facts for the biden camp and it's not good for trump to be talked about in this way over a long period of time. it's going to be a long haul. it is an exha
one more thing, they are broke and jenna ellis is broke. so the pressure is also financial pressure to defend this case and what do you do if you're broke and have a lot of pressure? you cooperate where you can and that means that this case increases the already intense pressure on trump. >> pressure bursts pipes. mark, this arizona story is coming out while all of these other trump cases are going on. it feels like a legal tsunami and we are now just over six months from the election....
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attorneys rudy giuliani, jenna ellis, john eastman, top campaign epstein and former campaign aide, mike roman defendants are charged with the conspiracy fraud and forgery, which are all felonies. scheming to prevent the lawful transfer of presidents to keep unindicted co-conspirator won an offense against the will of arizona's voters. unindicted co-conspirator one is, of course, donald trump. now, all this comes as trump already faces, as you will know, 88 criminal charges across four jurisdictions. he is currently on trial in new york facing 34 charges related to election interference and business record fraud. tomorrow morning the supreme court will be hearing arguments in his immunity case were trump claims he cannot be prosecuted by special counsel jack smith in the federal january 6 election case against him joining me now with the latest is nbc news correspondent, vaughn hillyard. i know you have been reading into this and going through the indictment, so just the first of all, just set up what happened here in terms of the investigation, whose office did the investigation, how lo
attorneys rudy giuliani, jenna ellis, john eastman, top campaign epstein and former campaign aide, mike roman defendants are charged with the conspiracy fraud and forgery, which are all felonies. scheming to prevent the lawful transfer of presidents to keep unindicted co-conspirator won an offense against the will of arizona's voters. unindicted co-conspirator one is, of course, donald trump. now, all this comes as trump already faces, as you will know, 88 criminal charges across four...
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but so was jenna ellis. she complained that donald trump snot helping her out financially, paying her legal bills. if she's on that list, that she's not giving full cooperation? >> that distinction makes it sound like she was not willing to be fully on board and cooperating. >> if i'm jack smith right now and see this i'm doing what right now other than pulling my hair out that the supreme court is holding up my case. >> yeah. for him, look, he has a very, very strong case otherwise he wouldn't have brought it. he needs to get a trial date. the supreme court is standing between him and accountability. but this is all very good news because this is additional pressure on these people to cooperate. and it cannot be taken away if he becomes president. if chesebro -- there's a reason he has not been indictmented. has to be that he's cooperating. and so that is another potential witness for you in the federal case if it ever goes. >> tim heaphy, if you're fani willis right now and you have a sprawling indictment
but so was jenna ellis. she complained that donald trump snot helping her out financially, paying her legal bills. if she's on that list, that she's not giving full cooperation? >> that distinction makes it sound like she was not willing to be fully on board and cooperating. >> if i'm jack smith right now and see this i'm doing what right now other than pulling my hair out that the supreme court is holding up my case. >> yeah. for him, look, he has a very, very strong case...
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five of these people were indicted for similar conduct in the state of georgia, where jenna ellis has pleaded guilty. the 11 fake electors were part of a multistate scheme to help donald trump overturned a result of the 2020 election. there are already prosecutions of at least some of these fake electors in three of the seven states involved in the multistate scheme, including georgia, michigan, and nevada. but, tonight marks the first time that criminal charges are being brought in the state of arizona. >> we are here because justice demands an answer to the efforts the defendants and other unindicted co-conspirators allegedly took to undermine the will of arizona's voters during the 2020 presidential election. arizona's election was free and fair. the people of arizona elected president biden. unwilling to accept this fact, the defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent unlawful transfer of the presidency. a state grand jury made up of everyday regular arizonans have now handed down felony indictments for all 11 republican electors, as well as several ot
five of these people were indicted for similar conduct in the state of georgia, where jenna ellis has pleaded guilty. the 11 fake electors were part of a multistate scheme to help donald trump overturned a result of the 2020 election. there are already prosecutions of at least some of these fake electors in three of the seven states involved in the multistate scheme, including georgia, michigan, and nevada. but, tonight marks the first time that criminal charges are being brought in the state...
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the fact jenna ellis plead out in georgia, does that suggest she's going to pleades out here? what can we map from arizona to georgia? >> difficult to say because some of the facts are different and some of the communications also are very different. one thing that strikes me, though, is who isn't here. and that's obviously the former president o of the united state who's not a defendant here, and that leaves many people scratching their heads ass to y not. i'll venture one guess. on thursday, that's tomorrow, the united states supreme court is going to hear trump's presidential immunity argument. he has made presidential immunity arguments not only in the federalts election interference case but also in the georgia case and also in the florida case. one reason that kris mayes may not have indicted donald trump here is she wants to see how that plays out first and give those unindicted to flip against the bus. >> just when you think all the screws have turned, there's another turn of the script. vaughn hilliard, amazing reporting. deep cuts from the arizona election interferen
the fact jenna ellis plead out in georgia, does that suggest she's going to pleades out here? what can we map from arizona to georgia? >> difficult to say because some of the facts are different and some of the communications also are very different. one thing that strikes me, though, is who isn't here. and that's obviously the former president o of the united state who's not a defendant here, and that leaves many people scratching their heads ass to y not. i'll venture one guess. on...
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rudy giuliani, jenna ellis, john eastman, christina bobb, trump campaign official boris epstein, and former white house official micro man. trump was not charged but described as unindicted co-conspirator one. it's an investigation that's spanned more than a year. here is arizona's attorney general, kris mayes. >> i know today didn't come fast enough, and i'll be criticized by others for conducting this investigation at all. as i've stated before and will say again today, i will not allow american democracy to be undermined. it's too important. >> arizona becomes the fourth state to file criminal charges against the so-called fake electors that sought to undermine president biden's victory over trump. joe, we saw the video there. they also signed a fake certificate that they posted to social media. i mean, they were breaking the law, pretending they were the state's electors when they weren't. joe biden had narrowly won, broadcasting exactly what they were doing, and now the bill has come due. >> you know, i'm -- i'm not a prosecutor. we have plenty of former prosecutors on, and we'r
rudy giuliani, jenna ellis, john eastman, christina bobb, trump campaign official boris epstein, and former white house official micro man. trump was not charged but described as unindicted co-conspirator one. it's an investigation that's spanned more than a year. here is arizona's attorney general, kris mayes. >> i know today didn't come fast enough, and i'll be criticized by others for conducting this investigation at all. as i've stated before and will say again today, i will not allow...
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he's going to let these people, hey, jenna ellis has already pleaded in one stage. she's going to plead here, no doubt. can chesebro cooperated with arizona to help provide all these indictments? these people will look to save themselves to the extent they haven't already just given up because no one can save, you think, by the way, it can chesebro, who met with arizona officials a little while ago, voluntarily, is the reporting. you think he is likely had a hand in some of this in arizona? i think looking through some of the indictment and seeing some of the details ahead in terms of texts, in terms of emails, i think now i don't think trent can just roll alone. >> is that all that but i think he was a critical source in caracas operating some of what they already suspected and carry this is the indictment here. it's long, but it's pretty dry. it's pretty straight to the point what did you glean from it? >> well, it's it's a fraud fraudulent case. it's a case based on fraud. so it's not going to be super extensive in terms of the facts of the indictment because wha
he's going to let these people, hey, jenna ellis has already pleaded in one stage. she's going to plead here, no doubt. can chesebro cooperated with arizona to help provide all these indictments? these people will look to save themselves to the extent they haven't already just given up because no one can save, you think, by the way, it can chesebro, who met with arizona officials a little while ago, voluntarily, is the reporting. you think he is likely had a hand in some of this in arizona? i...
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ellis, christina bob, and john eastman, yet another attorney and trump legal adviser in the aftermath of the 2020 election. these are very real charges, of very real crimes, allegedly committed at the highest levels of the trump campaign and the trump white house. trump himself is charged in george's indictment. seven states with fae collectors were nevada, arizona, new mexico, wisconsin, michigan, georgia, and pennsylvania. as we said, we have seen charges in four other states, now. all seven of these states are key battleground states that could be decisive in this year's election. joining me now is ryan j riley, justice reporter friend he and the author of "sedition hunters, how january 6th broke the justice system." here's the thing. that george indictment is so detailed, it has text, communications that go beyond georgia, to pennsylvania, to michigan, to arizona, the information is not new to us. the degree to which this was a sophisticated effort to overturn democracy is clearer and clearer with each indictment. >> it's true. even in the supreme court, what was interesting is yo
ellis, christina bob, and john eastman, yet another attorney and trump legal adviser in the aftermath of the 2020 election. these are very real charges, of very real crimes, allegedly committed at the highest levels of the trump campaign and the trump white house. trump himself is charged in george's indictment. seven states with fae collectors were nevada, arizona, new mexico, wisconsin, michigan, georgia, and pennsylvania. as we said, we have seen charges in four other states, now. all seven...
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ellis. >> how do you plead to count 15, conspiracy to commit false documents into number 23 188947? >> guilty. >> if i knew then what i know now, i would have declined to represent donald trump in these postelection challenges. i look back on the six brands with deep remorse. >> okay. deep remorse. none of this is easy for anyone going. even if they made mistakes. the process that we have, especially for noncapital offenses with the vast majority of trials is to try to give people a chance even when they are being held accountable. that is why judges take testimony even from people before sentencing. remorse is a start but accountable he is important. it has come to many people in these cases. just not the defendant at the very top. all the talk about politics or ideology these days, what we learned at the supreme court last week is the majority was fixated on hierarchy and protecting its, apparently favorite person, who was at the very top. the ex-president running for president again. the court did not raise the same questions or concerns about the convicted aides that you just sa
ellis. >> how do you plead to count 15, conspiracy to commit false documents into number 23 188947? >> guilty. >> if i knew then what i know now, i would have declined to represent donald trump in these postelection challenges. i look back on the six brands with deep remorse. >> okay. deep remorse. none of this is easy for anyone going. even if they made mistakes. the process that we have, especially for noncapital offenses with the vast majority of trials is to try to...
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former trump attorney jenna ellis. former trump attorney and john eastman, yet another attorney and trump legal advisor in the aftermath of the 2020 election. these are very, very real charges of very real crimes allegedly committed at the highest levels of the trump campaign and the trump white house. trump himself is of course charged in george's indictment. the seven states with fake electors in 2020 were nevada, arizona, new mexico, wisconsin, michigan, georgia, and pennsylvania. as we've said we have seen charges in four states now. all seven of these states are key battleground states that could be decisive in this year's election. joining us now is ryan j. reilly, justice reporter for nbc and author of a remarkable book, sedition hunters, how january 6 broke the justice system. here's the thing. that georgia indictment is so detailed. it has texts. it has communications that go to pennsylvania, goes to michigan, goes to arizona. so the information is not new to us, but the degree to which this was a sophisticate
former trump attorney jenna ellis. former trump attorney and john eastman, yet another attorney and trump legal advisor in the aftermath of the 2020 election. these are very, very real charges of very real crimes allegedly committed at the highest levels of the trump campaign and the trump white house. trump himself is of course charged in george's indictment. the seven states with fake electors in 2020 were nevada, arizona, new mexico, wisconsin, michigan, georgia, and pennsylvania. as we've...
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ellis, who was a trump campaign attorney. what this means is that state prosecutors in michigan believed that those four people were coconspirators in this fake electors plot, though i want to of course stress they are not facing charges in michigan at this time. they were all charged in georgia. you remember that big election interference case down in georgia? they were all charged they're ellis pleaded guilty. the other three in iran doing guys. >> all right. now, marshall cohen, thank you so much for that report any minute now, house speaker mike johnson has said to me with jewish students at columbia university over concerns about their safety. >> and we understand he's said to call for the school president to resign all of this happening as protests breakout across the country live from the nation's capital, one of the most unforgettable night in dc, ms warner will read back here again, president biden and comedian collin joseph headline the white house correspondents, dinner, live saturday at seven eastern on cnn. it's
ellis, who was a trump campaign attorney. what this means is that state prosecutors in michigan believed that those four people were coconspirators in this fake electors plot, though i want to of course stress they are not facing charges in michigan at this time. they were all charged in georgia. you remember that big election interference case down in georgia? they were all charged they're ellis pleaded guilty. the other three in iran doing guys. >> all right. now, marshall cohen, thank...
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jenna ellis, who, of course, one of donald trump's attorneys turn and start to provide testimony. we're seeing that with some of the other people charged, as well. are you concerned about that as these cases go forward in the states? >> oh, absolutely. i read the arizona indictment. i thought it was actually well written. i thought it was the first time that i saw a really coherent theory about this whole tension between the alternate electors versus fake electors theory, and they have emails apparently from mike roman and boris epshteyn to back it up. will that actually, you know, reach its way up to rudy giuliani and mark meadows? i don't know if they're going to be able to show that, because, you know, knowing boris as i do, he sometimes says, oh, this is authorized from above when it's not, but could that pressure somebody like him or mike roman to, you know, to turn? absolutely. so, i do think that is something that is a risk. >> norm, how do these play out before the election, if at all? >> well, that will depend on how alvin bragg and his team of very capable prosecutors do
jenna ellis, who, of course, one of donald trump's attorneys turn and start to provide testimony. we're seeing that with some of the other people charged, as well. are you concerned about that as these cases go forward in the states? >> oh, absolutely. i read the arizona indictment. i thought it was actually well written. i thought it was the first time that i saw a really coherent theory about this whole tension between the alternate electors versus fake electors theory, and they have...
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ellis, along with 2020 campaign official mike roman. donald trump himself. you don't see his picture there. he's an unindicted coconspirator. we are told this indictment includes charges ranging from conspiracy and forgery to engaging in fraudulent schemes this is arizona's attorney general, kris mayes, announcing these indictments tonight. >> the people of arizona elected president biden, unwilling to accept this fact. the defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency whatever their reasoning was, the plot to violate the law must be answered for an i was elected to uphold the law of the state let's get straight to, the source tonight with cassidy hutchinson, a former top aide to mark meadows, and now a frequent target of donald trump's after her explosive testimony before the january 6 committee. and cassie, it's great to have you here tonight. i should note we had already scheduled in an interview with you before this news broke this indictment that was just handed up in
ellis, along with 2020 campaign official mike roman. donald trump himself. you don't see his picture there. he's an unindicted coconspirator. we are told this indictment includes charges ranging from conspiracy and forgery to engaging in fraudulent schemes this is arizona's attorney general, kris mayes, announcing these indictments tonight. >> the people of arizona elected president biden, unwilling to accept this fact. the defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to...
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jenna ellis his former campaign attorney, john eastman, mike roman, boris epshteyn, and another person who's actually gotten a political promotion of sorts. and the time since christina bobb, you might remember that name christina bobb. she's a former oan anchor, host, tv personality, but she was also one of the key people pushing these election fraud claims, including an arizona she's indicted alongside jake hoffman and was recently appointed as the lead counsel for election integrity at the rnc. so again, the rnc, the national the national party, the republican national party, really hugging some of these people please key players from the bid to overturn the 2020 election. and it's hard to not notice the parallels between what donald trump himself, even though he's not indicted in arizona, what he's been saying about these investigations and these indictments related to the 2020 election. i'm going to read jake hoffman's statement after he was indicted, it sounds a lot like what we've heard about trump hoffman wrote, let me be unequivocal. i am innocent of any crime. i will vigorous
jenna ellis his former campaign attorney, john eastman, mike roman, boris epshteyn, and another person who's actually gotten a political promotion of sorts. and the time since christina bobb, you might remember that name christina bobb. she's a former oan anchor, host, tv personality, but she was also one of the key people pushing these election fraud claims, including an arizona she's indicted alongside jake hoffman and was recently appointed as the lead counsel for election integrity at the...
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ellis and rudy giuliani one, three people who did not work on behalf of the federal government. those are charged in the indictment. so why could trump not go to trial for that? >> it's worth noting and it's really important to explain what this alternate slates of electors were really throughout american history, probably most notably in 1870s six, when you're challenging a presidential election after the certification deadline in certain states, you present alternate slates of electors and that gives political actors the opportunity to get to the bottom of whether fraud occurred, whether outcome determinative fraud occurred. and it allows them to pick a different slate in 18, 76 rutherford b. hayes was alive did president on the back of three alternate slates of electors. so those sorts of preparatory actions giving political actors the ability to act on allegations of election fraud. i think there's probably intermixed private and official conduct their and that ultimately will be a very thorny issue for the district court on remand to assess that's a pretty general perez vie
ellis and rudy giuliani one, three people who did not work on behalf of the federal government. those are charged in the indictment. so why could trump not go to trial for that? >> it's worth noting and it's really important to explain what this alternate slates of electors were really throughout american history, probably most notably in 1870s six, when you're challenging a presidential election after the certification deadline in certain states, you present alternate slates of electors...
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and this indictment rudy giuliani, mark meadows, john eastman, jenna ellis, mike roman. these are people who were meeting face-to-face with trump. these are people who are on the ground helping trump put these fake electors together, help them facilitate their signing of those opaque electoral documents that we know are not just charged here, but also in other states around the country. and you mentioned two, there's multiple felony counts, there's nine counts total multiple felonies there's the top line is a conspiracy count that is similar to what we've seen in georgia with rico conspiracy account where trump is indicted, but several of these other people are indicted as well. so some parallel those there. but ultimately the end of the de people within trump's inner orbit charged again here in arizona and yet trump, i liked the charges in georgia. >> he's not indicted in this case at all. he i think is an unindicted coconspirator in this case, but somebody we have not seen before ever be facing charges for the first time is boris epshteyn. why is that so significant? >
and this indictment rudy giuliani, mark meadows, john eastman, jenna ellis, mike roman. these are people who were meeting face-to-face with trump. these are people who are on the ground helping trump put these fake electors together, help them facilitate their signing of those opaque electoral documents that we know are not just charged here, but also in other states around the country. and you mentioned two, there's multiple felony counts, there's nine counts total multiple felonies there's...
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those aids include white house chief of staff, mark meadows, rudy giuliani, jenna ellis, john eastman, christina bob, trump campaign official board, epstein, and former campaign and white house official, mike roman. trump was not charged, but is described as an unindicted co- conspirator 1. it marks a significant step forward in an investigation that has spanned more than a year. here is arizona's attorney general, chris mays. >> i understand, for some of you today it didn't come fast enough. and i know i will be criticized for others for conducting this investigation at all. but as i have stated before and will say here again today, i will not allow american democracy to be undermined. it is too important. >> arizona now becomes the fourth state to file criminal charges against the so-called fake electors that sought to undermine president biden's victory over trump. so, joe, we saw the video there. they also signed a fake certificate that they posted to social media. i mean, they were breaking the law, pretending they were the state's electors when they weren't, because joe biden ha
those aids include white house chief of staff, mark meadows, rudy giuliani, jenna ellis, john eastman, christina bob, trump campaign official board, epstein, and former campaign and white house official, mike roman. trump was not charged, but is described as an unindicted co- conspirator 1. it marks a significant step forward in an investigation that has spanned more than a year. here is arizona's attorney general, chris mays. >> i understand, for some of you today it didn't come fast...
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ellis, others, todd blanche, and i'm sure elie, i think he worked with them at the southern district of new york very respected veteran guy who surprised many of his friends when he went to work for donald trump and now the times is reporting that trump is upset that it blanche is not being sufficiently aggressive in his defense. he's not attacking the jury and the judge prosecution right now showing documents that michael cohen provided to the bank, showing that the llc was created in delaware. and let me just take a quick pause. i'll come right back to you i'll go to either one of my 50 boys here. well, you're you're actually technically from jersey bag or why account again, just to remind people why delaware, why when you're setting up the shell corporations, why either one jump all to the delaware favorable tax rate? well, where's made a cottage industry? >> of being a favorable place to incorporate that's why a lot of the major credit card companies, banks, only companies are down there. >> so it's a very lender friendly state that's why i think it per capita, it's the number on
ellis, others, todd blanche, and i'm sure elie, i think he worked with them at the southern district of new york very respected veteran guy who surprised many of his friends when he went to work for donald trump and now the times is reporting that trump is upset that it blanche is not being sufficiently aggressive in his defense. he's not attacking the jury and the judge prosecution right now showing documents that michael cohen provided to the bank, showing that the llc was created in...