and jerry fallwell jr. they pose for a photo back at trump tower thumbs up in front of a playboy magazine. it went from politics being down stream of culture to culture and everything else being down stream of politics. if we don't win these elections, if we don't dominate these culture wars, then nothing else matters. >> you mention some crises that sort of ratchet up the temperature and make donald trump even more positioned to be the sort of saver of the evangelical movement or evangelical voters. one of them is covid. can you talk about the ways in which i think ways unseen to the broader public, the way in which that affected the evangelical community. >> listen, this ties into what we were just discussing. the seeds of the moral panic here were sown a long, long time ago. >> you're very familiar with this idea of an imminent clash in america between the good god fearing christians and those godless evil secularists in the culture going to come after us, they're going to try to just abolish god from pu