helms, from north carolina, and saying, look, you got stop your opposition. you got to support this. you and and and and the answer from, helms was no. you associated with communist sympathizers. so i'm not going to change. i'm back. i changed. so arthur came out of the meeting without convincing helms and said to his aide, john, he says, you really got to be a radical and not want to pay day off. well, we've started to talk about congress and we've talked about some of the true conservatives in congress. helms, gingrich, but reagan is probably best known for working with people who aren't true conservatives in congress. and that kind of space of his legacy. what usually talk about when we talk about tip o'neill, speaker o'neill and ronald reagan, it usually is. they were political enemies, personal friends. know, you to kind of in see invert that yeah yeah you seem to kind invert that so let me hear your inversion here. is that a myth that's been promulgated in washington for many, many years and spun by people like chris matthews, who wrote that book tippin