and we've been talking about this with jill abramson, former executive editor of the new york times,nnie linsky of the wall streetjournal. but we spoke first to nayeema raza, who is a co—host of the podcast mixed signals from semafor. the 46th president l of the united states, joe biden. i think it was actually 50 million people who watched the debate on cnn. that, you know, and on cnn affiliate, you saw it in fox news, etc, but people, 50 million americans or 50 million people watched the debate. right after, in the cnn post brief, i mean, i think you saw this play out live where people were literally, you know, anchors were literally reading you text messages that they were seeing. you had van jones from the, you know, 0bama administration, someone you expect to be supportive, you know, talking about what could happen. i think the interesting thing to look at is not necessarily cnn, or fox news, where you kind of knew where the conversation maybe was going to go. but msnbc even, uh, you know, the discussion and coverage that's happened in certain days, i don't think anyone was sitt