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joan biskupic, our supreme court expert. thank you so much. let's bring in cnn's evan perez, who covers the justice department for us, evan walk us through what this means for the trial. special counsel it'll jack smith wants to try former president trump for trying to steal the election yeah. >> now we won't know it probably according to joan prompt, maybe not even until the end of june, whether or not he can claim immunity. what does that mean? for the scheduling of this trial? assuming that they don't find that he can claim immunity for everything, right. >> well, jake, what this means is that when whenever the supreme court comes back and renders a ruling on this, it means then that let's say let's say they do decide that donald trump does not have immunity they, asked the appeals court had ruled. then this goes back to tanya chutkan, the judge who is overseeing this case, and she's made very clear that she wants to move as quickly as possible, but still, jake, that means you're looking at probably another eight weeks before seven or eight
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joan biskupic, our supreme court expert. thank you so much. let's bring in cnn's evan perez, who covers the justice department for us. evan walk us through what this means for the trial. special counsel it'll jack smith wants to try former president trump for trying to steal the election yeah. >> now we won't know. it probably according to joan prompt, maybe not even until the end of june, whether or not he can claim immunity. what does that mean? for the scheduling of this trial? dooming that they don't find that he can claim immunity for everything, right? >> well, jake, what this means is that when whenever this court comes back and renders a ruling on this, it means then that let's say let's say they do decide that donald trump does not have immunity as the appeals court had ruled. then this goes back to tiny chutkan, the judge who's overseeing this case, and she's made very clear that she wants to move as quickly as possible, but still, jake, that means you're looking at probably another eight weeks before seven or eight weeks before you
joan biskupic, our supreme court expert. thank you so much. let's bring in cnn's evan perez, who covers the justice department for us. evan walk us through what this means for the trial. special counsel it'll jack smith wants to try former president trump for trying to steal the election yeah. >> now we won't know. it probably according to joan prompt, maybe not even until the end of june, whether or not he can claim immunity. what does that mean? for the scheduling of this trial? dooming...
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i want to bring in our senior supreme court analyst joan biskupic. the supreme court now has to decide by february 12th whether they even want to take this up. what are the considerations here, joan? >> well, first of all, isn't that the deadline for when donald trump has to appeal? because they can't really put a deadline on the supreme court itself. >> paula, can you clear that up? because the panel said if they don't hear from the supreme court by february 12th, they'll kick this back down to the district court. isn't that correct? >> i'm going to pull up the exact language and we'll read it on air. i'm going to pull it out of their opinion. >> as you look for that, the considerations that this court will make when deciding whether to rule here or whether even to hear arguments. >> right. first of all, the law is on jack smith's side. the precedent on whether a president can be absolutely immune from criminal prosecution after leaving office. the general precedent is on his side. this lower court opinion is very forcefully written. it was unanimou
i want to bring in our senior supreme court analyst joan biskupic. the supreme court now has to decide by february 12th whether they even want to take this up. what are the considerations here, joan? >> well, first of all, isn't that the deadline for when donald trump has to appeal? because they can't really put a deadline on the supreme court itself. >> paula, can you clear that up? because the panel said if they don't hear from the supreme court by february 12th, they'll kick this...
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let's bring in joan biskupic, she joins us from washington. we've got a lot to get to with the court, but let's just start there. i mean, i suppose we could hear from the court because they have conference today on these sun today. >> that's right. mid morning. poppy and phil, first of all, it's great to see the both of you in mid-morning. the justices will meet in private in a conference room off the chambers of the chief justice. and they'll look at the week's business now, as you know, they heard some important cases this week to that they're going and i have to take preliminary votes on. so donald trump is not the only things on thing on their mind, but it is on jack smith's mine and jack smith and donald trump have both submitted filings. as you know, they've been up there for a week with their filings saying, are you going intervene or don't intervene in this? and i think what we if you get as soon as this afternoon, but maybe not until early next week some kind of schedule that says what kind of timetable the justices would set for fili
let's bring in joan biskupic, she joins us from washington. we've got a lot to get to with the court, but let's just start there. i mean, i suppose we could hear from the court because they have conference today on these sun today. >> that's right. mid morning. poppy and phil, first of all, it's great to see the both of you in mid-morning. the justices will meet in private in a conference room off the chambers of the chief justice. and they'll look at the week's business now, as you know,...
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joan biskupic, thanks so much for walking us through there. thank you. brianna all right. let's discuss this now with cnn contributor and senior your news writer at the trace, jennifer mascia here. all right. so jennifer, let's talk about this. what did you glean from justice neil gorsuch, asking today why the atf, which is a federal agency, is banning bump stocks? rather than congress. it's a similar sentiment we heard from justice amy coney barrett >> right? well, i what they're referring to as the 1934 national firearms act and they're saying, well, you know, if it's a single trigger pole, you know, well, obviously bump stocks or only twenty-year-old technology, right? there's no way that congress in 1934 could have anticipated anything like that. so they're saying if there is a difference between the amount of effort that a user has to put into a device that makes it function like a machine gun versus the single trigger pull that was the standard at the time. was there any distinction can made and should there be now? and so that's really what dominated a lot of the ta
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but what it means is that certainly by the analysis of joan biskupic, we're looking at a decision from the supreme court, perhaps in june. and then if you can get a trial restarted, the calendar is extremely crowded. by the time donald trump becomes presumably the republican nominee. we should also note, erin, that the supreme court is also, we're still waiting to hear from them on the 14th amendment challenge in colorado, right >> the ruling by this colorado supreme court so we widely, everyone expects that donald trump will win that case. so at this point, we should point out also that the supreme court had the option, erin, to hear this case if they wanted to take this up when jack smith went to them in december, they decided not to take it up then, but they have now decided that they do want to hear this case >> and that mean putting the beginning timestamp on this of december that you're now looking at arguments not being made until april and a decision in june, according to joan's analysis that is stunning. six month delay. if you look at just that the bottom line of it. >> all r
but what it means is that certainly by the analysis of joan biskupic, we're looking at a decision from the supreme court, perhaps in june. and then if you can get a trial restarted, the calendar is extremely crowded. by the time donald trump becomes presumably the republican nominee. we should also note, erin, that the supreme court is also, we're still waiting to hear from them on the 14th amendment challenge in colorado, right >> the ruling by this colorado supreme court so we widely,...
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joan biskupic was reporting that clearly there is tension behind the scenes in the supreme court and how to approach this. that's what she read into how long it took to actually hear that they were going to take this up. but i wonder if you also think that there are tea leaves to read, if you will. and the question that the supreme court has decided to answer here, because essentially it's to what extent that's the quote about the immunity for former presidents. and do you believe that means that they want to see parameters put in place? could we see a limit on executive power as a result of what trump is trying to do here they framed the question broader and a little differently. nice has thought they would in the one-page order, but it also i immediately when when really i thought, well, you know, we're all forgetting that there are two other cases that immunity is at play that involve donald trump and one is the florida case. he has filed a brief in florida seeking immunity there, and he has said his lawyers have said they plan to do so in georgia as well. the only place he's waiv
joan biskupic was reporting that clearly there is tension behind the scenes in the supreme court and how to approach this. that's what she read into how long it took to actually hear that they were going to take this up. but i wonder if you also think that there are tea leaves to read, if you will. and the question that the supreme court has decided to answer here, because essentially it's to what extent that's the quote about the immunity for former presidents. and do you believe that means...
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joan biskupic, you were inside the supreme court during the three hours of oral argument.hat stood out to you? >> how smoothly went not for the colorado voters' lawyer, but for the justices themselves. i am so accustomed to a lot of ideological tensions along the bench, irrespective of what lawyers are arguing. i didn't feel that. in fact, you could sense really early on, by the rhythm of that argument that the chief was going to have a majority, if not a unanimous covert to rule that the colorado supreme court was wrong to try to keep trump off the ballot. that's not the end of the story, though, of course, because they have to come up with grounds they all agree on. i have to tell you often a supreme court ruling will have splintered ruling, but i think there's incentive in this case to come up with gowned that at least a majority will buy, if now, seven, eight justices, but none of the 6-3 rivalry we would see. as paula just said in her report, you know, justices from the left really were in early with their skepticism. >> really fascinating to listen to the three hours
joan biskupic, you were inside the supreme court during the three hours of oral argument.hat stood out to you? >> how smoothly went not for the colorado voters' lawyer, but for the justices themselves. i am so accustomed to a lot of ideological tensions along the bench, irrespective of what lawyers are arguing. i didn't feel that. in fact, you could sense really early on, by the rhythm of that argument that the chief was going to have a majority, if not a unanimous covert to rule that the...
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. >>> with us to discuss kristy greenberg and joan biskupic. how strong is the wording about whether a president has immunity for crimes? >> it was very strong. these three judges -- i think it was really distinctive that all -- they were unanimous. these are judges who cross the ideological spectrum. one was appointed by govereorge. bush. they agreed to reject every ground that former president trump asserted about why he should have immunity. they took it apart. he will be like any ordinary citizen and have defenses when he stands trial. he cannot claim immunity. they relied heavily on precedents that are in this area of the law. as we know, the supreme court has never taken on the direct question of whether a former president would have absolute immunity from criminal prosecution. there are other cases that inform this decision. the judges were close to that. it was forceful in another way, poppy and phil. not only did it dissect the legal arguments, but it really took a strong hand toward trump saying, you know, if the accusations against a
. >>> with us to discuss kristy greenberg and joan biskupic. how strong is the wording about whether a president has immunity for crimes? >> it was very strong. these three judges -- i think it was really distinctive that all -- they were unanimous. these are judges who cross the ideological spectrum. one was appointed by govereorge. bush. they agreed to reject every ground that former president trump asserted about why he should have immunity. they took it apart. he will be like...
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i think it's 50/50 now as i will note for the record does joan biskupic, which is good enough for me.reme court also likes to stay out of messy problems if they can. there's been no dissent. this case was 3-0. they agreed with the trial judge, judge chutkan and there hasn't been in my view and clearly in the judge's view a powerful counterargument. it could be the supreme court says we'll pass, this stands as is. >> would bit a problem? >> it would be stunning. i don't know that it would be a problem except for donald trump. >> look, i think it's better for them to weigh in, but this decision was definitive. the facts and the principles are completely clear. one of the things in the decision i think was incredibly significant is it clearly states this decision that the president of the united states is an office under the united states, which is part of the language being used in the 14th amendment. >> can we talk -- doo you find that interest interesting. i can wait to geek out. >> this decision at one point claims that the president is an officer. were the sole officer capable of de
i think it's 50/50 now as i will note for the record does joan biskupic, which is good enough for me.reme court also likes to stay out of messy problems if they can. there's been no dissent. this case was 3-0. they agreed with the trial judge, judge chutkan and there hasn't been in my view and clearly in the judge's view a powerful counterargument. it could be the supreme court says we'll pass, this stands as is. >> would bit a problem? >> it would be stunning. i don't know that it...
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let's get right to cnn's joan biskupic, >> joan, what does it tell us? that we haven't heard from the court yet particularly on presidential immunity. does this indicate there are no rush >> good to see you, john, the supreme court is on its own schedule heard important cases this week that had already been scheduled. it's in the middle of writing that i'll erato ballot case regarding a whether donald trump can be kicked off. state ballots. that's underway behind the scenes. so they are thinking of other things other than special counsel jack smith, the immunity issue, and donald trump but that said they do have a private meeting that's underway right now in small conference room off the chambers of the chief justice, john roberts, in which they're handling some of the business from this week, including an important environmental protection case that they heard yes. on wednesday. but among the business that they are likely going to consider this morning is what to do with donald trump's appeal of a lower court opinion that said that he should not be shie
let's get right to cnn's joan biskupic, >> joan, what does it tell us? that we haven't heard from the court yet particularly on presidential immunity. does this indicate there are no rush >> good to see you, john, the supreme court is on its own schedule heard important cases this week that had already been scheduled. it's in the middle of writing that i'll erato ballot case regarding a whether donald trump can be kicked off. state ballots. that's underway behind the scenes. so they...
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biskupic. joan, thanks very much for joining us what's your immediate reaction? do we know why they decided right now to take up this very sensitive and important issue. >> well, first of all, i think you used exactly the right word here. it's an important question that the supreme court has never resolved. the supreme court has looked at immunity for presidents in civil situations, but never looked at any kind of immunity or shield. but immunity is as shield from prosecution in a criminal context. it's an important question. and as we know, donald trump has his presidency really posed unique challenges to the legal system. but there could be president's down the road who might test this in some way. and the justices clearly felt it was important to resolve it. now, your question though, implies a certain question about timing jack smith had gone to the visual yes, the special counsel who is representing the united states government, the department of justice, bringing these accounts of crimina
biskupic. joan, thanks very much for joining us what's your immediate reaction? do we know why they decided right now to take up this very sensitive and important issue. >> well, first of all, i think you used exactly the right word here. it's an important question that the supreme court has never resolved. the supreme court has looked at immunity for presidents in civil situations, but never looked at any kind of immunity or shield. but immunity is as shield from prosecution in a...
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joan biskupic is here to answer questions. can trump be prevented from being on all election ballots in 2024? >> it's good to see you and phil. i'm moving closer and closer to the supreme court, since we did this an hour ago. yes, the supreme court is looking specifically at the colorado case and the colorado supreme court decision knocking him off the ballot. however they rule will affect all 50 states. that's why this is being so closely watched. the supreme court's decision will apply everywhere, to maine, which as harry said has tried to keep him off the ballot, even to other states that might be contemplating that. >> you feel the energy from joan as she gets closer to her second home. >> i know. i'm edging toward the door. >> next question from peter in florida. if you are indicted, are you presumed innocent? if a person is not found guilty, how can they be barred from an election? >> that's an excellent question. that's one that was taken up by the trial judge here in the colorado case. she said in this case, donald tru
joan biskupic is here to answer questions. can trump be prevented from being on all election ballots in 2024? >> it's good to see you and phil. i'm moving closer and closer to the supreme court, since we did this an hour ago. yes, the supreme court is looking specifically at the colorado case and the colorado supreme court decision knocking him off the ballot. however they rule will affect all 50 states. that's why this is being so closely watched. the supreme court's decision will apply...
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cnn senior supreme court analyst joan biskupic is joining us with her analysis of all this. how soon could this ruling come out? i know it usually takes quite some time, but there is a ticking deadline here. >> good to see you. yes, you know, look, often we'll have cases argued in october and won't see them until june. this is different. the justices themselves put it on an expedited schedule and you saw chief justice has a majority if not a unanimous court to outright reverse the colorado supreme court. and that court was a bench that said that donald trump should not be on the state ballot because of his role in the january 6th, 2021, attack on the capitol. they cited a provision of the constitution that bars insurrectionists from holding future office. but the issue now is, what are their legal grounds? they can't just say, okay, we reverse. we're out of here. they need to come up with legal grounds. yesterday, sara, we heard a couple of different options being offered, picking up on the lawyer for donald trump. for example, to say that only congress has the authority to
cnn senior supreme court analyst joan biskupic is joining us with her analysis of all this. how soon could this ruling come out? i know it usually takes quite some time, but there is a ticking deadline here. >> good to see you. yes, you know, look, often we'll have cases argued in october and won't see them until june. this is different. the justices themselves put it on an expedited schedule and you saw chief justice has a majority if not a unanimous court to outright reverse the...
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let's bring in joan biskupic, you have spent so much time looking into what could happen, what might happen, who's involved, what they're going to say and do. what's going to happen today now that it's actually happening? >> i know, and as you said in just three hours. i put first the issues. you laid them out really nicely. often when we have a case, the justices tell you what particular questions they want to take on. they didn't at this point. they just said they want to take on the entire question of whether the colorado supreme court erred in some way. we'll have to listen for what do they focus on. what history and text do they focus on. do they focus on just the word for example. is the president an officer of the united states who would be covered by this, or maybe he wouldn't be covered by this. does congress need to pass some legislation to allow section 3 of the 14th amendment even to be invoked and enforced in this situation. so we'll have to hear what they focus on, and it could be a couple of different issues, and the main thing in that whole bucket of possible issues i
let's bring in joan biskupic, you have spent so much time looking into what could happen, what might happen, who's involved, what they're going to say and do. what's going to happen today now that it's actually happening? >> i know, and as you said in just three hours. i put first the issues. you laid them out really nicely. often when we have a case, the justices tell you what particular questions they want to take on. they didn't at this point. they just said they want to take on the...
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let's talk now with joan biskupic, she's a cnn senior supreme court analyst. joan, how likely is it that the supreme court is going to take up this appeal? >> reporter: well, it's a very strong opinion from the lower court. unanimous, well grounded, and just hits all the right notes for these justices. but, as well grounded as it is and how much it's consistent with court precedent in this area, they might feel it's theirs to decide. it is a question that has never been definitively answered, whether a former president can be absolutely immune from criminal prosecution after he leaves office. and so i think it's going to cause some tensions behind the scenes, not just because this is an unanswered question, but because it's also donald trump. now, we have on thursday, the justices already are scheduled to hear arguments in an important case on whether he can even stay on state ballots. the colorado supreme court had ruled that he should be disqualified, because he engaged in insurrection on january 6th, 2021. so there was just all sorts of questions that the s
let's talk now with joan biskupic, she's a cnn senior supreme court analyst. joan, how likely is it that the supreme court is going to take up this appeal? >> reporter: well, it's a very strong opinion from the lower court. unanimous, well grounded, and just hits all the right notes for these justices. but, as well grounded as it is and how much it's consistent with court precedent in this area, they might feel it's theirs to decide. it is a question that has never been definitively...
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joan biskupic, our colleague, said it thinking a very succinct way. the former president's strategy of trying to delay the four criminal trials is even beyond what we're talking about against him, is well documented in fighting special counsel, jack smith's case, the supreme court has become an ally of sorts, despite the expedited schedule, right? >> you know? >> this is an expedited schedule according to the supreme court. it's not an expedited schedule according to anything else. and what they have done is played into the hands of donald trump's attorneys because it's not just their legal strategy. it is their only strategy because i just had a conversation with someone who used to represent donald trump who said, look, they don't expect to win in the supreme court. the only way to win is to delay and hope that donald trump gets elected and then it's totally off the books because he says so, so that's that's the entire strategy. and this just plays into it. i mean, judge chutkan in dc really wanted to move on this case this >> week one of the first
joan biskupic, our colleague, said it thinking a very succinct way. the former president's strategy of trying to delay the four criminal trials is even beyond what we're talking about against him, is well documented in fighting special counsel, jack smith's case, the supreme court has become an ally of sorts, despite the expedited schedule, right? >> you know? >> this is an expedited schedule according to the supreme court. it's not an expedited schedule according to anything else....
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biskupic, our expert, wrote that this morning for cnn, and normally, a supreme court case would take even more time. there are differences between the watergate scenario in this scenario, the watergate scenario, the time pressure there was richard nixon had already won his second term. he wasn't up for an election. there was no looming election. the concern was we have a criminal investigation of the guy in the white house here are the concern is really more political. the concern is while we have a looming election and how might this trial impact the election? and i think there's an argument that it is appropriate for prosecutors and courts to consider the former situation. but once you get into the game of judges and prosecutors thinking about, well, there's an election day and how should we play this? you're starting to turn those jobs that we don't want to be political well into things that are political >> trump has a very varied take of the supreme court or less, obviously, he put three justices on there, but he's gone from saying, i remember when he wants tweeted, when they we
biskupic, our expert, wrote that this morning for cnn, and normally, a supreme court case would take even more time. there are differences between the watergate scenario in this scenario, the watergate scenario, the time pressure there was richard nixon had already won his second term. he wasn't up for an election. there was no looming election. the concern was we have a criminal investigation of the guy in the white house here are the concern is really more political. the concern is while we...
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just as joan biskupic has said, he does not want to be the one where the justices split, the liberalss and others. and whether or not donald trump can claim immunity in jack smith's criminal case, and whether or not they inevitably take them, they will impact the 2024 election, and one thing that i am looking for today is whether the chief is going to start building some middle ground or consensus. >> this is such an important moment, because the two cases that you are addressing, one involving immunity which is an extraordinary case to talk about and that is going to the checks and balances and the core of the democracy, and checks and balances, and that is one that the court would want to weigh n because it does not have politics, but the other one, can trump be on the ballot, and from the average voter, they say, isn't that inherently political, and i am having a little bit of ptsd from bush v. gore, even though it is valid of this court the address. we will be cognizant of that, and they want to have the off-ramps, but at some point when the push comes to shove, you will have to d
just as joan biskupic has said, he does not want to be the one where the justices split, the liberalss and others. and whether or not donald trump can claim immunity in jack smith's criminal case, and whether or not they inevitably take them, they will impact the 2024 election, and one thing that i am looking for today is whether the chief is going to start building some middle ground or consensus. >> this is such an important moment, because the two cases that you are addressing, one...