jochen “jack” wurfl, when you were six years old, you attended a heckler rally -- hitler rally in berlin. what you remember? >> i remember our teachers telling us to be sure to go there and see him, he is coming by on his birthday, april 20, and we did the best we could. peter: and you and your brother went up to the front to get a good view? mr. wurfl: yes, so we could see him. we were told to do that. peter: you were six years old at the time. do you remember how you felt about that? mr. wurfl: i felt kind of strange about it because i already knew from my parents that hitler was not someone we really wanted around or wanted to be with, but our teacher at school encouraged us very strongly to go and try to see him. peter: in your book, "my two lives" you talk about joining the hitler youth. why did you do that? mr. wurfl: in order to survive. if you didn't, by then i was already in the summer camp in northern germany by the north sea and if i would not have joined the hitler youth, my brother and i, people would say, why aren't these boys doing it, everyone else is doing it? we were af