john flannery. welcome sir. >> good to be with you. >> good to have you. as i mentioned, politicians included especially members of congress, in the speech -- can say many things. even if we might find them completely objectionable, horrific, some things they say. but what they are talking about is conduct that if they did it right, they could be running mates, they could be vice presidents. now they are saying we would take what has been indicted as fraudulent electors, and use that to overthrow the election. is that them floating, essentially, a criminal plot? >> well, it's a coup to, i suppose, if the circumstances are similar to what happened in the first effort at a coup that failed, the insurrection. and trump lost, and biden won, we could be in the same place, if we didn't prepare for it. and you asked what should we do? and in anticipation, i think we have to take it seriously. you have two people, and there are others, saying that in order to be vp, they are prepared to commit the crime tha