we thank hud for this interesting report and greet jorge ramos tolosa phd in history, a professor specialized the contemporary and recent history of palestine at the university of germany. thank you jorge for being with us, hug and welcome. i want to ask you two questions that everyone should be asking. zionism has said time and again that palestine belongs to them. you could first tell us. understand that for more than millennium, for more than a thous years, palestine has been a very diverse territory in which jewish people, christian people, muslim people, people from other minorities of any kind have lived following their own religions, and it all begins not 2000 years ago, the question of palestine does not go back to 2000 years, it is not a religious issue, although we are talking about the holy land obviously, and there are different actors. religion as a legitimizing element and as mobilizing element and zinanism itself, although in the beginning the majority of zists did not believe in god and yet they did believe that god has given them the earth, so this is essential, we're talking