joining us live now is josh rosenow, director of policy and advocacy with the mountain lion foundation. josh, thanks for your time. hi >> thanks for having me. >> so two questions here. how common are human mountain lion encounters and then how common are rare or rare, i should say are those fatal encounters. >> so this is the first fatal encounter in california in 20 years. so that that gives a sense of how how infrequent this is. and in across all of north america, over the last 100 years, there have been 27, 28. it's just really, really uncommon. and i think even even in the midst of a tragedy like this and even as as scary as it can be, it's just worth bearing in mind that that mountain lions are as interested in staying away from us as we really are, of staying away from them. >> i definitely want to explore that a little bit more. right? it's not like they're just waiting for humans to come along so they can be predators and attack us. but where do these encounters tend to occur when we enter their habitat, like in this case, or when they enter our habitat? >> i think it's again,