that's michael reckton wolf and joshua smith. those are my guys. i would be honored to run with either of them and i'll leave the endorsement at that. moderator: that's fair enough. larry, i want to ask you, you did touch on this a little bit but maybe you can expound on why lars and you is the best ticket, you said getting the votes, setting us up for the next few years if you can flesh that out a little bit. i know every sinle year we have libertarian candidates run, every single year they say when i'm in the white house i'm gong to do this. we all know the odds of that are not great. but wait -- but ok, but if that's the reality i think we don't want to be delusional so what should we look for? larry: most of the time what do people this? what i'm going to do this, i'm bold this, bold that, bold the other thing. nobody will hear you. you can go to state affiliates, talking to libertarians who are already going to vote for you, going, i'm bold, bold, bold. nobody cares. you have to other people. r.f.k. will suck a bunch of money and a bunch of vo