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barb, tell us about that lovely gift your friend joyce saint you. >> joyce sent me some alabama spiritwhere. i know she's wearing the colors of alabama tonight, which prompted me to wear my mason blue. and i had to reciprocate best in her some maisonneuve blue gear she can wear after michigan wins the rose bowl on monday night. so looking forward to seeing joyce decked out in mason blue after the victory. >> i want to get it on the record, your predictions here. joyce, you go. first >> look, alabama is the underdog and this game. they come and at the four seed but i predict it will be a strong alabama victory and barb will be wearing my t-shirt roll tide. >> and that last part goes to you, barb. who is going to win on monday night? >> michigan will win 78 to nothing. when asked why they went for blue after scoring their 11th touchdown, jim harbaugh will reply, because i couldn't go for three. >> well, we'll have to see what happens. of course, i want to urge people not to forget that you t longhorns as well, my home state. barbara mcquade, joyce vance, thank you both. >>> up next, secr
barb, tell us about that lovely gift your friend joyce saint you. >> joyce sent me some alabama spiritwhere. i know she's wearing the colors of alabama tonight, which prompted me to wear my mason blue. and i had to reciprocate best in her some maisonneuve blue gear she can wear after michigan wins the rose bowl on monday night. so looking forward to seeing joyce decked out in mason blue after the victory. >> i want to get it on the record, your predictions here. joyce, you go. first...
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joining me now for more, joyce vance, former u.s. attorney in alabama, professor at the university of alabama school of law, msnbc legal analyst, and a co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast. her greatest role for me is keeping me on track when it comes to all things legal. joyce, thanks for joining us this morning. let's start with that new york civil fraud trial. trump appealing that gag order on friday after losing a petition on thursday with the appellate court to get the gag orders overturned. my first question for you, joyce, what happens when the trial is over? do those gag orders actually survive after a ruling comes from judge engoron on the remaining counts? >> you know, they won't survive once the trial is over. katie, what will happen is that trump, like any other private citizen, will be responsible for his words. if he does do anything that constitutes some form of a civil wrong, saying, to judge engoron's a log partner who has been on the attack against, he could be held accountable in a civil lawsuit at that po
joining me now for more, joyce vance, former u.s. attorney in alabama, professor at the university of alabama school of law, msnbc legal analyst, and a co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast. her greatest role for me is keeping me on track when it comes to all things legal. joyce, thanks for joining us this morning. let's start with that new york civil fraud trial. trump appealing that gag order on friday after losing a petition on thursday with the appellate court to get the gag orders...
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and to piggyback on joyce's answer, i think it's interesting. wise, and a few weeks ago it published a an op-ed actually defended trump various times including being upset that he got kicked off social media for exercising those rights. even the aclu has come out and said this isn't a first amendment case. but going back to your question, the real issue at today's hearing was exactly when can the judge determine these first amendment issues. did he have to wait until during trial when the evidence started coming out? or was there any avenue that he could determine prior to trial? and for the first time today the defendants floated that there was a case that they found from georgia this event the judge could actually determine these issues before trial. and so there is a lot of hullabaloo about what with the defendant have to simulate to have the judge determined this? ultimately, though, this isn't gonna be a successful claim. this is not a first amendment case. the rubber meets the first amendment road when talk turns into action. and there is
and to piggyback on joyce's answer, i think it's interesting. wise, and a few weeks ago it published a an op-ed actually defended trump various times including being upset that he got kicked off social media for exercising those rights. even the aclu has come out and said this isn't a first amendment case. but going back to your question, the real issue at today's hearing was exactly when can the judge determine these first amendment issues. did he have to wait until during trial when the...
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joyce vance is with us as well. joyce let start with you. let's walk us through this case.ere? because for many people the first time we heard of this drug was after roe was overturned. we saw some states governors stockpile the drug. >> right, more than 50% of abortions in the united states are medication abortions, and mifepristone is one of two drugs that is essential for that procedure and it had been approved by the fda many years ago, and that initial approval is not in question in the argument that the supreme court will hear. what is in question is the condition under which it can be prescribed. for instance, there's been discussion of whether telemedicine can be used and whether the woman actually has to be present in a doctor's office when it is administered. all conditions that are an effort to make it more difficult to obtain this form of an abortion. so the original case stuff stephanie came out of a one judge division in a federal district court in texas. the litigants manufactured standing a group of doctors who have very tangential connections to the procedu
joyce vance is with us as well. joyce let start with you. let's walk us through this case.ere? because for many people the first time we heard of this drug was after roe was overturned. we saw some states governors stockpile the drug. >> right, more than 50% of abortions in the united states are medication abortions, and mifepristone is one of two drugs that is essential for that procedure and it had been approved by the fda many years ago, and that initial approval is not in question in...
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joyce: i think you have a softish landing scenario in the u.s.ope, but we are still putting in 2025 at 60% what we are calling boiling the fraud, and 40% the goldilocks scenario. this could take a while to play out, that's one reason markets have been so strong. the near-term story over the next three months, there is not a lot of uncertainty. but that really changes if you look over the course of the year. just sitting here in europe, i think it's a softish landing but we see mild recession in the united kingdom. overall, global growth is falling below potential to 2%. that's part of the story is these positive shocks that we saw last year are diminishing. we are calling it really a year of diminished conviction going forward. you will see the core inflation will get sticky in the twos, we think it will end up closer to 3%. the market is rallying because the next three months look more certain, but the next 12 months, is still a risk ahead that will build in the second half. lizzy: let's put it a different way, who cuts first? joyce: norgesbank
joyce: i think you have a softish landing scenario in the u.s.ope, but we are still putting in 2025 at 60% what we are calling boiling the fraud, and 40% the goldilocks scenario. this could take a while to play out, that's one reason markets have been so strong. the near-term story over the next three months, there is not a lot of uncertainty. but that really changes if you look over the course of the year. just sitting here in europe, i think it's a softish landing but we see mild recession in...
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amy lee copeland, and joyce vance. when we come back, it took nearly a year but today the house of representatives finally voted to expel george santos. no thanks to house republican leadership, by the way, with every single republican leader voting to keep george santos on the job. democrats are really the ones who cleaned up this republican santos mess. congressman glenn ivey, a member of the house ethics and judiciary committees joins me next. check. when uc tried to slow me down... i got lasting, steroid-free remission with rinvoq. check. and when uc caused damage rinvoq came through by visibly repairing my colon lining. check. rapid symptom relief... lasting steroid-free remission... ...and the chance to visibly repair the colon lining. check, check, and check. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin cancer; death, heart attack, stroke, and tears in the stomach or intestines occurred. people 50 and older w
amy lee copeland, and joyce vance. when we come back, it took nearly a year but today the house of representatives finally voted to expel george santos. no thanks to house republican leadership, by the way, with every single republican leader voting to keep george santos on the job. democrats are really the ones who cleaned up this republican santos mess. congressman glenn ivey, a member of the house ethics and judiciary committees joins me next. check. when uc tried to slow me down... i got...
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we start with ken dilanian and peter baker and joyce vance., this indictment alleging hunter had the money, he had the income to pay taxes. instead, he chose not to pay his taxes, even after he had gotten clean from drugs, in response to the anticipated defense that he was addicted and he was doing this not of clear mind. how serious are the new charges? remind us, how did we get here? >> reporter: extremely serious. all told, the new charges carry a maximum penalty of 17 years in prison. that sentence is, of course, unlikely. this situation is especially remarkable, because as you said, hunter had a chance to resolve the tax charges by pleading guilty over the summer to failing to file a return under a deal that called f no jail time. that deal fell apart because prosecutors declined to declare him immune from future charges, leading his legal team to walk away. that's looking like a catastrophic decision. the attorney general quickly appointed david weiss the special counsel. in september, weiss indicted hunter on a felony gun charge in dela
we start with ken dilanian and peter baker and joyce vance., this indictment alleging hunter had the money, he had the income to pay taxes. instead, he chose not to pay his taxes, even after he had gotten clean from drugs, in response to the anticipated defense that he was addicted and he was doing this not of clear mind. how serious are the new charges? remind us, how did we get here? >> reporter: extremely serious. all told, the new charges carry a maximum penalty of 17 years in prison....
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leading off our discussion is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney and professor at the university of alabama school of law. she's a co-host of the podcast hashtag sisters in law. also melissa murray, professor of law at new york university. they are both msnbc legal analysts. joyce vance, to the appeal that donald trump's lawyers have filed, they are, in effect, insisting, they don't even bother to put it in his request, they are insisting that judge chutkan stop everything in the case, do absolutely nothing now that they have filed this appeal on the issue, the issues that they believe should absolutely stop the proceedings. what do you make of their appeal? judge chutkan has given jack smith an expedited time schedule for filing his response to it by sunday night. >> yeah, so the argument, lawrence, is essentially a technical legal argument. trump's lawyers are saying that the district court, the trial court, is divested of any jurisdiction to continue ruling on anything involved in the trial. now this issue is on appeal. they cite some v
leading off our discussion is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney and professor at the university of alabama school of law. she's a co-host of the podcast hashtag sisters in law. also melissa murray, professor of law at new york university. they are both msnbc legal analysts. joyce vance, to the appeal that donald trump's lawyers have filed, they are, in effect, insisting, they don't even bother to put it in his request, they are insisting that judge chutkan stop everything in the case, do...
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detectives were told that joyce was incredible., almost, revenge on their partners? or ex partners? >> yes. >> the tip from joyce's attorney went into that massive file, along with all of the others. it went on like that for years. investigators methodically following up on hundreds of persons of interest. it wasn't until 2002, ten years after lisa's murder, that sergeant vow balled up on that tip and called gary schara in for an interview. what happens? he's going to talk this time? >> in 2002, he's willing to talk. we did a short interview with him, what the hopes of getting a sample from him and he was cordial, polite. >> the detective brought up lisa's murder. schara was vague. >> he danced around it in a sense. like, i think i remember that. i think i remember reading about it in the paper. >> and when the detective asked for dna, schara refused. >> what is your gut telling you that he's not willing to give up his dna? >> well, it was odd, but it wasn't not because it's in your constitutional right not to give it and numerous
detectives were told that joyce was incredible., almost, revenge on their partners? or ex partners? >> yes. >> the tip from joyce's attorney went into that massive file, along with all of the others. it went on like that for years. investigators methodically following up on hundreds of persons of interest. it wasn't until 2002, ten years after lisa's murder, that sergeant vow balled up on that tip and called gary schara in for an interview. what happens? he's going to talk this...
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joining us is joyce vance, joyce, great to see you.. >> thanks for having me, rachel. >> did i understand that correctly? did i explain any of that the wrong way around? >> no, i think you got it just right. michael dreeben is the former deputy solicitor general who had responsibility for criminal. that makes him a great pick for this case. >> i know you worked with mr. dreeben, you know him professionally from all your years in federal law enforcement. what should we understand about him in terms of his skills, what he brings to this, and why jack smith might be using him in this way? >> mere u.s. attorneys, the job i once held, have to go to the solicitor general for permission any time the government wants to take an appeal on a criminal case. he was in charge of making those decisions and that means he's considered every sort of criminal appellate situation that could come up. this writ you're talking about, rachel, the writ for judgment before the court of appeals has considered a case, this isn't something that's commonly used. i
joining us is joyce vance, joyce, great to see you.. >> thanks for having me, rachel. >> did i understand that correctly? did i explain any of that the wrong way around? >> no, i think you got it just right. michael dreeben is the former deputy solicitor general who had responsibility for criminal. that makes him a great pick for this case. >> i know you worked with mr. dreeben, you know him professionally from all your years in federal law enforcement. what should we...
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the pogues front man was _ joyce. just a legend. the pogues front man was taken _ joyce.egend. the pogues front man was taken on his - joyce. just a legend. the pogues front man was taken on his final| front man was taken on his final journey through dublin in a horse—drawn carriage. he was a piper —— there was a piper and a marching band playing strings of his greatest hits. and even after his coffin had passed, the music continued. there was sadness, but there was also a celebration. the crowds gathered here in dublin today, wanting to celebrate the man and his legacy, mostly, it was all about the music. crowd sing. from dublin, the cortege travelled to county tipperary, the place shane macgowan had always considered home. and later, his town will give the uniquely gifted songwriter his final homecoming. after a very emotional and really quite moving morning here in dublin, the focus now moves to county tipperary, where shane macgowan's thera service will take place in just a few hours' time. we are expecting big crowds in the town of nenagh, is there were here in dubli
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want to bring in msnbc legal analyst, joyce vance, to talk more about this. thank you so much for joining us on this christmas afternoon. happy holidays to you and your family and thanks for taking some time out to talk us through some of this stuff. if you will, joyce, this was expected, right? this late night saturday filing to the d.c. court of appeals. especially after the decision from the supreme court to punt this back to the lower court system. >> right. that's exactly how this played out. trump's lawyers had called the government the grinch for trying to expedite the calendar for briefing. the d.c. court of appeals ordered trump to file saturda and his lawyers did at just about the last possible moment. trump's legal team in part claiming this is a separation of powers issue saying the judicial branch cannot sit in judgment over a president official acts. the doctrine is not as they say controversial. in this filing. what do you make of some of the arguments being made in this filing, joyce? >> i think it's important to understand what the decision p
want to bring in msnbc legal analyst, joyce vance, to talk more about this. thank you so much for joining us on this christmas afternoon. happy holidays to you and your family and thanks for taking some time out to talk us through some of this stuff. if you will, joyce, this was expected, right? this late night saturday filing to the d.c. court of appeals. especially after the decision from the supreme court to punt this back to the lower court system. >> right. that's exactly how this...
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we are back can katy, pete, frank, and joyce.look at it in its totaliti? >> oh, there's a tangible threat. for the first time in my career, we now have a unit at fbi headquarters solely dedicated to monitoring threats against fbi agents, fbi personnel, and their families. and prosecutors, that's unheard of. and they're busy because it doesn't make necessarily front-page news, but over the course of the last 30 days or so we have seen people arrested for threatening to take the lives of fbi personnel. it's happening. and it's a theme that's running not only through our nation but through this -- the segments that we have in this hour of programming which is trump has created and given license to an environment where we can lash out violently against our institutions and the people in them, career personnel who simply want to go home safely at the end of the day to their families, and do what we ask them to do -- do what we want them to do which is to uphold the oath they took to protect, preserve, and defend the constitution of th
we are back can katy, pete, frank, and joyce.look at it in its totaliti? >> oh, there's a tangible threat. for the first time in my career, we now have a unit at fbi headquarters solely dedicated to monitoring threats against fbi agents, fbi personnel, and their families. and prosecutors, that's unheard of. and they're busy because it doesn't make necessarily front-page news, but over the course of the last 30 days or so we have seen people arrested for threatening to take the lives of...
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attorney and msnbc legal analyst joyce vance. joyce, a very good afternoon to you. this is not new to us, we've got this at the very last minute from trump's lawyers. what do you make of the argument here? >> right, these are the same arguments that have already been rejected by judge chutkan when she looked at these arguments from both sides in front of the district court. they do not have any better on appeal here. this argument, the one that you referenced about being incapable of prosecution until you are impeached and convicted in the senate, simply does not fly. it is a tortured misreading of the law. that is something that judge chutkan had no trouble with. the larger argument that trump's lawyers are making is that everything he was doing was part of his presidential duties. when he was calling county canvassers in wayne county, michigan. of course, we know that's not how our elections work. the president has no authority, no role to play in the elections that are conducted in the 50 states, no role in county vote counting. so, to say that trump was immune f
attorney and msnbc legal analyst joyce vance. joyce, a very good afternoon to you. this is not new to us, we've got this at the very last minute from trump's lawyers. what do you make of the argument here? >> right, these are the same arguments that have already been rejected by judge chutkan when she looked at these arguments from both sides in front of the district court. they do not have any better on appeal here. this argument, the one that you referenced about being incapable of...
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joyce vance is joining us as well. she's a former united states attorney and professor at the university of alabama school of law. she's co-host of the podcast sisters in law. they're both msnbc legal analysts. i want to discuss the two supreme court matters with you. let's start andrew with you and the jack smith matter. jack smith's case that has gone to the supreme court. you and i were together when jack smith asked the supreme court to take this up in an expedited matter manner. they asked for a response from the trump team which they got on the 20th. they have now another response back from jack smith's team. where does that stand? >> as you pointed out, this may be just a matter of fighting it over a few days because the d. c. circuit has truly expedited its review with oral argument on january 9th. it's true we don't know when it will issue its decision but presumably because it is expedited this briefing and everyone will be staying up for the holidays rating breach to go to the d. c. circuit, they will issue
joyce vance is joining us as well. she's a former united states attorney and professor at the university of alabama school of law. she's co-host of the podcast sisters in law. they're both msnbc legal analysts. i want to discuss the two supreme court matters with you. let's start andrew with you and the jack smith matter. jack smith's case that has gone to the supreme court. you and i were together when jack smith asked the supreme court to take this up in an expedited matter manner. they asked...
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attorney, joyce vance.we should note the detroit news says this recording was made by someone present for the conversation but obtained through an intermediary who was not there. nbc news has not heard or verified the recordings. we've also reached out to spokespeople for former president trump and mcdaniel. what have we heard, ken, so far from them, and what can you tell us about this conversation? >> well, jose, they're not denying the substance of the reporting here, and in fact, what the trump campaign is saying is that then president trump at the time was acting as the president of the united states concerned about fraud in the election, but it's not clear that the reporting about what this tape suggests backs that up because what happened here, if you recall is that joe biden won this county by more than 150,000 votes, and there was a pro forma vote by the wayne county board of canvassers to certify those results, and two republicans balked, and they ended up voting for it, but then they were having s
attorney, joyce vance.we should note the detroit news says this recording was made by someone present for the conversation but obtained through an intermediary who was not there. nbc news has not heard or verified the recordings. we've also reached out to spokespeople for former president trump and mcdaniel. what have we heard, ken, so far from them, and what can you tell us about this conversation? >> well, jose, they're not denying the substance of the reporting here, and in fact, what...
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joining me now is joyce vance former u.s.r at university about moscow of law. msnbc legal analyst and co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast. joyce, always so happy to have you on the show, especially to get us started today. let's talk first about the decision by the d.c. circuit court of appeal concerning judge chutkan's gag order. north of us about the narrow limiting of it, because otherwise the entirety of that gag order pretty much stood. >> i think that is right. all of the important parts remain in place. you know, katie, sometimes we look at the back and forth in these trump cases like it is a ping-pong match going from one side to another. but really it is a much longer game, and it involves whether decisions by judges and ultimately chorizo verdicts get a firm vote of appeal. so looking at things from that point of view, this order the d.c. court of appeals has now written is a very much drafted in a way that makes the gag order -- when it hits the supreme court. the cork looked at judge chutkan's order says
joining me now is joyce vance former u.s.r at university about moscow of law. msnbc legal analyst and co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast. joyce, always so happy to have you on the show, especially to get us started today. let's talk first about the decision by the d.c. circuit court of appeal concerning judge chutkan's gag order. north of us about the narrow limiting of it, because otherwise the entirety of that gag order pretty much stood. >> i think that is right. all of the...
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that one could be tried as well. >> joyce, stay with me. i want to bring into our special coverage "newsweek's" tom rod jers, media mogul, one of the founders of cnbc and msnbc back in the day. i told viewers we're going to be on-air in a two-hour edition of "the beat" tonight. one of the things we're doing is using this time with some of our trusted colleagues to kind of reflect on it. not the day to day, but what we actually lived through overall. and politically, there was a lot of both missed opportunities and self-inflicted wounds on the republican side in congress. i want to show some of what we lived through. >> after four days and 15 rounds of voting, republican kevin mccarthy of california has been elected the next speaker of the house. >> i hope one thing is clear after this week. id never give up. >> chaos is speaker mccarthy. >> abortion rights remain a powerful motivators for voters. >> support of reproductive choice in kansas, vermont, california, michigan, montana, kentucky. >> republicans need to learn how to talk about abor
that one could be tried as well. >> joyce, stay with me. i want to bring into our special coverage "newsweek's" tom rod jers, media mogul, one of the founders of cnbc and msnbc back in the day. i told viewers we're going to be on-air in a two-hour edition of "the beat" tonight. one of the things we're doing is using this time with some of our trusted colleagues to kind of reflect on it. not the day to day, but what we actually lived through overall. and politically,...
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i have former federal prosecutor joyce vance, already with me to start the show. we are looking at this legal heat coming up. i want to get into this with the, joyce, but first show you and every something we put together to consider the historic indictments on the road that donald trump has already been on. >> donald trump has been indicted under seal of the new york grand jury. >> 34 felony counts of falsified business records. >> we have one set of laws in the country that we apply to everyone. >> this will now be months if not the next year of our lives. >> the former president was placed under arrest on charges brought by the government he once led. >> the guy running for president to stay out of person, he is literally running for his freedom. >> donald j trump has been criminally indicted in the state of georgia. >> the indictment brings felony charges against donald john trump. >> as an old saying, we might get hit with a r.i.c.o.. >> that mugshot from former president trump. >> that is part of the year that we lived together, joyce. here we are marking th
i have former federal prosecutor joyce vance, already with me to start the show. we are looking at this legal heat coming up. i want to get into this with the, joyce, but first show you and every something we put together to consider the historic indictments on the road that donald trump has already been on. >> donald trump has been indicted under seal of the new york grand jury. >> 34 felony counts of falsified business records. >> we have one set of laws in the country that...
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here's something else we heard, joyce because you said it last night. you asked how long it was going to take him to declare bankruptcy. so why do this? what can giuliani avoid through bankruptcy, and what is he still on the hook for? >> well, bankruptcy lets giuliani discharge a lot of his debts as his financial posture, you know, is just really untenable, alex. and what he'll also achieve here, i think he hopes, is a little bit of delay. what a surprise to see someone trying to use delay to avoid justice. but it will take some time for the bankruptcy court proceedings to take place, for the judge to decide which debts are dischargeable in bankruptcy, as ken says, which can be wiped out and which can't be, and to achieve some sort of lineup of creditors. there's also something else lurking over giuliani's head here, though. beryl howell, the federal district judge in the defamation case took this unusual step of speeding up ruby freeman and shaye moss's ability to go after giuliani to collect on the judgment because he's had a pattern of not playing fa
here's something else we heard, joyce because you said it last night. you asked how long it was going to take him to declare bankruptcy. so why do this? what can giuliani avoid through bankruptcy, and what is he still on the hook for? >> well, bankruptcy lets giuliani discharge a lot of his debts as his financial posture, you know, is just really untenable, alex. and what he'll also achieve here, i think he hopes, is a little bit of delay. what a surprise to see someone trying to use...
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joyce, let me start with you. and rudy giuliani in this case. i have to say, there are a lot of people eager to hear rudy giuliani on the stand today because she such an interesting character. donald trump was supposed to testify on monday in his case but he decided not to. rudy giuliani was was to decide in his case, he decided not to neither of these guys lawyers can seem to control them anyway, but what do you make of it. i think this is one way where the lawyers have been able to control. they've been able to keep these clients who hurt themselves every time they open their mouths off of the witness stand. in julien's case, whether he continues to try to say he's not responsible for what happened and that he was telling the truth because he really believes that or because, frankly, he has some difficulty holding on to the truth, he is taking the witness stand would have only harmed himself, only have made it worth, worse and so the lawyers do the best thing they could do here by keeping him off. >> tim, let's talk about rudy giuliani and the
joyce, let me start with you. and rudy giuliani in this case. i have to say, there are a lot of people eager to hear rudy giuliani on the stand today because she such an interesting character. donald trump was supposed to testify on monday in his case but he decided not to. rudy giuliani was was to decide in his case, he decided not to neither of these guys lawyers can seem to control them anyway, but what do you make of it. i think this is one way where the lawyers have been able to control....
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joining us is joyce vance, joyce, great to see you.nk you for being here. >> thanks for having me, rachel. >> did i understand that correctly? did i explain any of that the wrong way around? >> no, i think you got it just right. michael dreeben is the former deputy solicitor general who had responsibility for criminal. that makes him a great pick for this case. >> i know you worked with mr. dreeben, you know him professionally from all your years in federal law enforcement. what should we understand about him in terms of his skills, what he brings to this, and why jack smith might be using him in this way? >> mere u.s. attorneys, the job i once held, have to go to the solicitor general for permission any time the government wants to take an appeal on a criminal case. he was in charge of making those decisions and that means he's considered every sort of criminal appellate situation that could come up. this writ you're talking about, rachel, the writ for judgment before the court of appeals has considered a case, this isn't something th
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could act quickly and will have to watch and see if they in fact follow through and do that. >> and, joyce, in looking at one of the -- all of the specifics of this case in colorado, one of the dissenting justices said, quote, our government cannot deprive someone of the right to hold public office without due process of law. now, other states have taken up this issue and reached a different result. how did the colorado state supreme court come to its decision? >> the colorado justices, in their opinions, say we took this very seriously and we didn't look at it as a matter of politics. we looked at it as a matter of law. a strict reading of the 14th amendment, section 3, which is the provision under review here, says that if someone who has previously taken an oath of office as a public official commits insurrection, then they're disqualified from holding office in the future. there is no requirement that they be prosecuted or convicted. and importantly here, there is no mechanism established for making that finding, so typically that would mean under the structure that our laws work with
could act quickly and will have to watch and see if they in fact follow through and do that. >> and, joyce, in looking at one of the -- all of the specifics of this case in colorado, one of the dissenting justices said, quote, our government cannot deprive someone of the right to hold public office without due process of law. now, other states have taken up this issue and reached a different result. how did the colorado state supreme court come to its decision? >> the colorado...
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joyce, you and i are both moderate.gine being 20 weeks pregnant, finding out a diagnosis like this and has been to be in court to fight to make decisions for my own health and my families. how significant is this lawsuit? >> the lawsuit is significant. the problem is an important one. this is what people mean when we hear them say that a portion 's health care. this fetus has trisomy 18. even if it survived until birth, it will not have a life ahead of it. but the mother's help's -- health is at risk. she has underlying conditions that could be elevated and it may will impair her ability to be a future children. she's got to little kids. she said, she'd like to have a large family, but doctors have told her this process is likely to lead to scouring that means she won't be able to have another child. so instead of getting to make these decisions herself with her husband and daughter, shaye's forced to ask a state court judge in travis county, texas to make decisions about her medical care. it's to mean. its second plus
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joyce, thank you for being here.w you read the timeline that is emerging on this broader appeal effort. >> on the one hand is discouraging because of this particular case. on the other hand this is how appeals work. the courts give the parties some time to get everything docketed. the record from the proceedings below has to be compiled. given the urgency of this matter, i wonder if we might not see jack smith's team take a stab and asking the court to expedite proceedings, but i think reality dictates that the judges have looked at the calendar and they've decided that they don't want to go until after the christmas holiday. >> so can you walk me through practically how many more procedural steps are in place before we can actually get to a hearing on the appeal? >> right. so there will have to be a briefing schedule. the court will order that. with the gag order proceedings the didn't on an expedited basis. they gave the parties very limited time to file their briefs. the moving part he will get to file their brief
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joyce, i'll start with this. i know both of you guyvise been pouring through the actual documentation here. what are the differences i guess perhaps in the laws being applied or the legal assumption theories? are there any differences between what we're seeing out of maine or what we saw out of colorado? or are they both basically based on the same principle? >> yeah, they are. they're based on the 14th amendment principle of eligibility, but we do have this patchwork quilt flow of different decisions in different states, which is why this will ultimately head to the supreme court. look, jason, maine is a little bit quirky. they have a different procedure than colorado does and than minnesota did. they start with the secretary of state which is why shenna bellows got the first crack at this decision. it will now be appealed into maine's superior court. that is their trial level state court, and then it will make its way up to the supreme court. so this decision is far from final, but it's very well-reasoned. and
joyce, i'll start with this. i know both of you guyvise been pouring through the actual documentation here. what are the differences i guess perhaps in the laws being applied or the legal assumption theories? are there any differences between what we're seeing out of maine or what we saw out of colorado? or are they both basically based on the same principle? >> yeah, they are. they're based on the 14th amendment principle of eligibility, but we do have this patchwork quilt flow of...
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this is gonna be the cut through joyce. well, and support, i mean is, are you, is this for the and the rocky politicians? how do you, i'll, i'm at a has called for us troops to immediately leave the country off your american ford has recently conducted a deadly series of extra directory. government should set a time table for the withdrawal of us troops as soon as possible. there is no need for the presence of foreign forces in iraq. the us presence will only destroy the country and shed the blood of iraqi people. a protest, as in fact out expressing their indignation off to authority, said 1000 killed 18 wounded in the ass drugs demonstrated demanding american troops . finally leave the country after the 20 year long us that occupation. and while america said it was targeting so cold and sojourn militias, raphael authorities have condemned them was a fair act on for you as president biden ordered, whether us are described as retaliatory strikes in iraq against the group supposedly link that has blah, that's what it's showi
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now for example, as mister joyce and car emphasized a trade between the 2. is that an old time high? they'll also want to make sure that they build connectivity. so building on the railway infrastructure also we know that for example, still working on aspects when it comes to nuclear defense n space programs. and we've heard in the last couple of days for mr. dice on car, who said that a collaboration in those areas between 2 countries would not be possible if there was not a very, very high level of trust. also they talked about, as i said, increasing the railway projects. and also that will be resume and talks on the free trade agreements between india and that you're raising economic union in the middle of january. so we're waiting to see it for progress when it comes to that. the other will also have questions regarding india's violence approach. and how we've seen, for example, just the mere presence of the external affairs minister here in russia. we've seen some headlines in the west that were saying, oh is this in the are picking side and choosing to
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but they feel meaningful, joyce.ad intent into all of this as far as pushing this trial date further and further down the line? >> yes, so, i think jack smith, this is a technical legal term, poking the tiger a little bit here, to see what would happen if he tried to get that judge to take steps towards commencing trial. i think he's friendly testing the waters to see if she is serious about taking the case to trial or not. there is reason to believe she isn't from the way she's been handling some of the classified information rulings, and not stacking things up in time. and if for instance she is not serious about her may trial date, that might leave room for a trial in fulton county, georgia in that period of time. so, you asked earlier about whether judges, i think you were referencing the supreme court looking at other cases. here, i think there's a lot of judges looking to other jurisdictions and trying to figure out who will be in a position to go first. it may well end up being the criminal case in manhattan t
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we're back with joyce, matt and jason.r trump big picture legally, that all these developments are happening with state electors? >> right. this upped lines what we're seeing in the filing you're referring to from jack smith. this is the notice he's required to file that lays out some of his evidence in an effort to give the defendant notice and bring the court into the loop on what to expect. it's now clear, now that we have this window into what jack smith's thinking is, it's that the evidence regarding the fake slates of electors helps to prove that donald trump was part of a deliberate, knowing plan to try to interfere on multiple fronts with the outcome of the 2020 election including the schemes we now see state charges on. the state charges in nevada are very interesting. each of the six republicans charged there, they're charged with two counts. they're related to developing this scheme that involved filing of false documents saying they were electors. there were news reports last week that fulton county defendant,
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attorney joyce vance. she's a professor at the university of alabama school of law, and coasts host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast. also with me, don calloway, president of pine street strategies and msnbc political analyst matthew tao. he's the author of country over party and former chief strategist for the 2004 bush presidential campaign. you know, matt dowd, i would ask you if you could believe that donald trump has the audacity to try to paint president biden as the threat to democracy, but i don't think anything surprises at this point, and yet it is a reminder of just how dangerous he is and just how many lies he's willing to spread. >> yeah. sigmund freud would have a field day with donald trump in the art of projection that he constantly does. i'm actually kind of surprised. usually, he smarter about these kind of things politically. because i actually think the biden campaign would welcome a debate on the threat to democracy as the key issue of this election as opposed to what people feel
attorney joyce vance. she's a professor at the university of alabama school of law, and coasts host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast. also with me, don calloway, president of pine street strategies and msnbc political analyst matthew tao. he's the author of country over party and former chief strategist for the 2004 bush presidential campaign. you know, matt dowd, i would ask you if you could believe that donald trump has the audacity to try to paint president biden as the threat to...
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you just heard dasha lay it out, joyce.possible appeal here, which we are very much expecting. writing this, ironically, the town has more to do with the time it will take courts to resolve these issues. then there's substantive merit, ex presidents cannot shield crimes forever. no man is above the law, the real question is how much time it will take scotus to say that. talk us through more of this. >> right, so, because these are constitutional rights that the president the former president has asserted in these motions, he won't have to wait until his criminal trial concludes to take an appeal. he can take what's called an interlocutory appeal. that can involve delay. not because anyone is doing anything wrong, but simply because it takes time to complete a briefing schedule. the courts control that. and they can expedite that schedule if they choose to. dasha is right when she characterizes this civil decision in other case in the district of columbia as procedural. because the court in that case simply said trump is not
you just heard dasha lay it out, joyce.possible appeal here, which we are very much expecting. writing this, ironically, the town has more to do with the time it will take courts to resolve these issues. then there's substantive merit, ex presidents cannot shield crimes forever. no man is above the law, the real question is how much time it will take scotus to say that. talk us through more of this. >> right, so, because these are constitutional rights that the president the former...
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joyce, it has been over 20 years since bush v. gore. how has what is happening now different? i want you to put this whole thing in perspective. >> it's such a great question to start with because bush versus gore was decided 23 years ago and only one justice from that version of the supreme court is still on the court. that is clarence thomas, who has been fruit basket turnover and bush versus gore the court decided that case the day after they heard oral argument. the appreciated the importance of an election related issue and they did not take an ounce more time than they needed to reach a decision. so the country could move forward. that's the question that we are looking at here. will this court feel that same urgency? when they decide these cases quickly? some of these cases can go a little bit more slowly than others. the third of the cases, the determination about whether the obstruction statute applies, that one doesn't necessarily need to move at lightning speed. but these other two, the decision being of peeled from colorado and the question of whether trump is enti
joyce, it has been over 20 years since bush v. gore. how has what is happening now different? i want you to put this whole thing in perspective. >> it's such a great question to start with because bush versus gore was decided 23 years ago and only one justice from that version of the supreme court is still on the court. that is clarence thomas, who has been fruit basket turnover and bush versus gore the court decided that case the day after they heard oral argument. the appreciated the...
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joyce, which of these indictments do you see is the strongest?s that even the right way to look at it? should we be looking at which is the first one that could actually get to trial? trump's game is delay, and it works for him. >> yes, so i'm glad you asked the question that way, because i was going to push back a little bit against the first sentence, this notion that any of these cases are more important than the others. what is so spectacular here is that this former president has been indicted so many times that we are debating which of the crimes that he committed is the most significant one. they are all weighty. they all involve felonies. any one of them independently should be enough to disqualify him disqualify him from any participation, any future participation in the public square. but if we think about which of his crimes matters the most to democracy, and again i think you could make a case for at least three of the four cases, but certainly people will be focused on the district of columbia case involving election interference. th
joyce, which of these indictments do you see is the strongest?s that even the right way to look at it? should we be looking at which is the first one that could actually get to trial? trump's game is delay, and it works for him. >> yes, so i'm glad you asked the question that way, because i was going to push back a little bit against the first sentence, this notion that any of these cases are more important than the others. what is so spectacular here is that this former president has...
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joyce, i will start with this. i know you both of you have probably been pouring through the actual documentation here. what are the differences i guess perhaps in the laws being applied or the legal assumptions breeze. are there differences between what we have seen out of maine or colorado or they both based on the same principles? >> they're based on the 14th amendment principle of eligibility. but we do have this patchwork quilt of different decisions in different states which is why this will ultimately head to the supreme court. look, jason, maine is a little bit quirky. they have a different procedure than in colorado or minnesota. they start with the secretary of state, which is why shenna bellows got first crack at it. it won't be trident -- and that will make its way up to the main supreme court. this decision is far from final, but it's very well reasoned and we see the secretary of state taking pains to clarify that her decision is not a political one. it is compelled by the extraordinarily unusual lega
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attorney joyce vance. welcome, joyce.there puts it down in the paper, the record, this is a precedent because no one else has reached this point. what does it tell you that trump is sort of making that kind of negative present president president? >> i think it means that the former president is in a lot of trouble. and, you know, judges, ari, and you know this, they always instructed juries when they go back to deliberate. they don't have to leave their common sense at the door. they don't have to leave their common sense at the door either. and we know enough about the american system of justice to understand that no one is above the law. presidents are not above the law. and if those words are going to have meaning, then judge chutkan's ruling is the only ruling the entirety of our court system can reach when it comes to donald trump, not above the law. reading also from that view, that reading, he maye subject to federal investigation, indictment, prosecution, conviction, and punishment for any criminal acts undertake
attorney joyce vance. welcome, joyce.there puts it down in the paper, the record, this is a precedent because no one else has reached this point. what does it tell you that trump is sort of making that kind of negative present president president? >> i think it means that the former president is in a lot of trouble. and, you know, judges, ari, and you know this, they always instructed juries when they go back to deliberate. they don't have to leave their common sense at the door. they...
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i'll defer the legal nuance to joyce.it is important to note they were in fact party to this lawsuit by those colorado voters. it was not just donald trump. so this appeal from the colorado republican party puts into effect the reality that donald trump's name will remain on the ballot in the state of colorado unless the u.s. supreme court agrees to hear this appeal, and then affirms the decision of the colorado supreme court disqualifying donald trump from the ballot in the state that would have far reaching impact beyond the state of colorado. but we're still expecting the legal team for donald trump to file their own appeal in the coming days. but this colorado appeal was actually written by the lawyer for the party, jay sekulow, a former attorney to donald trump himself. and is part of this appeal. he outlines that it is the first amendment rights of the political parties to determine who goes on to their primary ballots by the republican party. but also makes a case that in fact the former president of the united sta
i'll defer the legal nuance to joyce.it is important to note they were in fact party to this lawsuit by those colorado voters. it was not just donald trump. so this appeal from the colorado republican party puts into effect the reality that donald trump's name will remain on the ballot in the state of colorado unless the u.s. supreme court agrees to hear this appeal, and then affirms the decision of the colorado supreme court disqualifying donald trump from the ballot in the state that would...
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