devon: i think that gives us a good transition point is we are talking about judge kaczmarek scattered throughout the circuit. in the wake of dogs, we have seen -- of dobbs, we've seen a massive amount of litigants moved to striking statutes in states that limit women's ability to have abortions and safe prenatal health care. two of the big cases come from judge kaczmarek, who is blatantly antiabortion, there are number of cases being brought before him as we speak. he struck down the right to medication aborting. that might not win the day, but professor fredrickson i was hoping you could talk a little bit about your take away from the case before the supreme court was and how, even given what is going on with the court, how judge kaczmarek's ruling has given a lot of speed to efforts throughout the country to do things with mifepristone, like louisiana deciding to criminalize its possession last week. prof. fredrickson: he let a fire under a lot of the antiabortion activists to push extreme argumentthat are gravely consequential not just for women pursuing a needed abortion but also