that's how our ally in the united states, kamal garis of ukraine, sees victory, but what really is happening how can we get there? we will now speak with oleg robalchuk, the head of the analytical and advocacy organization. the center of joint actions, a politician, a public figure, the vice-prime minister of ukraine for european integration in 2005, and also the head of the president's office during the time of president yushchenko. mr. oliva, i congratulate you , i congratulate you, ah, i know where to start, kamala garis mentioned here about a democratic ukraine, about the fact that ukraine should be a democratic state, this is one of the conditions for our victory, and at the same time he left the other day a new... index or democracy rating from the british edition of the economist and ukraine is there, now we will show it to our viewers, and you probably saw it too, if not, at least i will tell you for the viewers, we ended up there in 91st place with 167, 647, sorry, of the studied countries, ukraine is in 91st place, and this... means that on this map, in particular of the world and