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never heard from karen mcdougal. the jury never heard testimony from karen mcdougal. is this a sign they're zeroing in on her situation, a potential hole in the prosecution's case? >> no, and i think the reason why they didn't call her was because of stormy daniels' testimony about the sexual encounter and the details. i think the prosecution said we're not going to have another witness up there talking about donald trump's sex life. we don't need her, and they don't really -- i don't -- again, i'm not in the jury room. you might have one juror say why didn't we hear from karen mcdue i think this wm and the other testimony read back puts donald trump at the center. he's the boss. and remember, he's the one who called pecker. you got a call from donald trump. so it wasn't like pecker calling trump and saying i have a great idea. it wasn't cohen calling pecker. it was donald trump calling, and again, i always like to give a caveat, it could also be as katie and danny said another jury who has their own version of what
never heard from karen mcdougal. the jury never heard testimony from karen mcdougal. is this a sign they're zeroing in on her situation, a potential hole in the prosecution's case? >> no, and i think the reason why they didn't call her was because of stormy daniels' testimony about the sexual encounter and the details. i think the prosecution said we're not going to have another witness up there talking about donald trump's sex life. we don't need her, and they don't really -- i don't --...
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the karen mcdougal breaks november 7th. talk about the timeline that hope hicks pulled back the curtain on. >> reporter: right. she acknowledged, nicolle, that on october 7th directly that the conversations ended up beginning about concern about women voters and cratering support here and, of course, if you're looking at potentially more women's stories -- allegations coming forward as they were in real time during those weeks there, it was of the most concern for this trump operation. that's why the prosecution brought forward multiple statements that trump made himself on his social media account tweeting out, in part saying, can you believe i lost a large number of women voters based on events that never happened? another tweet that these phony stories have impact. they were used by the prosecution to show the jury that donald trump was acknowledging these stories and access hollywood tape hurt him politically. that's why in those closing weeks there was not only concern about him and these stories, but an effort to turn
the karen mcdougal breaks november 7th. talk about the timeline that hope hicks pulled back the curtain on. >> reporter: right. she acknowledged, nicolle, that on october 7th directly that the conversations ended up beginning about concern about women voters and cratering support here and, of course, if you're looking at potentially more women's stories -- allegations coming forward as they were in real time during those weeks there, it was of the most concern for this trump operation....
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did he know michael cohen was paying off stormy daniels and karen mcdougal that he subsequently then paid michael cohen back for and establishing that intent, right? and some of those rapid fire questions at hope hicks i thought were fascinating. did he feel as if in the lead up to the election after the access hollywood tape was released that he was going to lose votes with women? were there reactions from other republicans? what were those reactions? did he feel as if it was going to affect the election come november after the release of this access hollywood tape, right? establishing the intent, the desperation, establishing the desperation of a man running for president of the united states who knew all of the ongoings inside of his organization, all of the ongoings inside of his campaign as hope hicks talked about. why would he not then subsequently when this information came out, reaching out, hope hicks talking about that, the reach out was to hope hicks herself about the karen mcdougal story. she subsequently reached out to michael cohen as well, michael cohen denying it, dav
did he know michael cohen was paying off stormy daniels and karen mcdougal that he subsequently then paid michael cohen back for and establishing that intent, right? and some of those rapid fire questions at hope hicks i thought were fascinating. did he feel as if in the lead up to the election after the access hollywood tape was released that he was going to lose votes with women? were there reactions from other republicans? what were those reactions? did he feel as if it was going to affect...
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trump that was locked in the door including the karen mcdougal story. hoffinger, what did you understand mr. trump to mean by pay with cash? and cohen to pay in green, which would obviously be one way to avoid any type of a paper transaction. but that's not what i thought was the best way to do it, and then morning recess. >> and we know from other conversations that michael cohen wanted nothing to do with this being a cash transaction. >> correct, and i think that that speaks to misty's earlier point, which is at the end of the day, whether you think that he's a good lawyer or a bad lawyer, he's still a lawyer, and he still understood that in some ways there would be a paper trail that would be beneficial to him in terms of these recordings, and in some ways that it'd be protective of him. >> he needed evidence. >> he needed evidence, and in some cases you don't want evidence, which is why you don't have a paper trail, which is demonstrative of michael cohen's frame of mind in terms of who he is. but the weisselberg piece is something that's interestin
trump that was locked in the door including the karen mcdougal story. hoffinger, what did you understand mr. trump to mean by pay with cash? and cohen to pay in green, which would obviously be one way to avoid any type of a paper transaction. but that's not what i thought was the best way to do it, and then morning recess. >> and we know from other conversations that michael cohen wanted nothing to do with this being a cash transaction. >> correct, and i think that that speaks to...
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he recounts telling donald trump about karen mcdougal. he went into the office, he knocked, he got in, he said i have to talk to you, told him what i just learned, i asked him if he knew who karen mcdougal was. knew anything about this story. his response to me was, she's really beautiful. cohen, i said, okay, there's a story that's right now being shopped. and so there is an objection just after this moment, what we were just discussing. it's like their ears were burning. >> sustained. >> objection, sustained. and so then what did you do? we had to acquire the story so i reached out to pecker. i want to go back to former supreme court justice leslie snyder. judge snyder, thanks for joining us. >> good morning. >> is this testimony going about how you would expect? >> it is going how i would expect and i think the judge because i look at everything from the judge's perspective, is exactly the easy part of the trial. he's paying careful attention, he's going to have to rule on objections but nothing really dramatic has happened because we
he recounts telling donald trump about karen mcdougal. he went into the office, he knocked, he got in, he said i have to talk to you, told him what i just learned, i asked him if he knew who karen mcdougal was. knew anything about this story. his response to me was, she's really beautiful. cohen, i said, okay, there's a story that's right now being shopped. and so there is an objection just after this moment, what we were just discussing. it's like their ears were burning. >> sustained....
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the reaction when karen mcdougal's story went public. and back with us is yasmin vossoughian, katie phang, jeremy soland and tristan snell. host talking about when the "wall street journal" came out with this bombshell article about the karen mcdougal deal. fill us in. >> reporter: they talked about that moment, that was november 4th, just a couple of days before the election, four days before the election on that, and there was some back and forth conversations on that. they also talked about the agreement made between dylan howard, michael cohen between the shell company, keith davidson, the two women, karen mcdougal, stormy daniels and david dennison, aka donald trump. at one point steinglass, one of the attorneys for the people, says who signed the agreement on behalf of david dennison? and davidson says karen mcdougal and stormy daniels's attorney says michael cohen esquire. michael cohen signed also on behalf of david dennison, david dennison, aka donald trump, his pseudonym did not sign this agreement. i think this is a really imp
the reaction when karen mcdougal's story went public. and back with us is yasmin vossoughian, katie phang, jeremy soland and tristan snell. host talking about when the "wall street journal" came out with this bombshell article about the karen mcdougal deal. fill us in. >> reporter: they talked about that moment, that was november 4th, just a couple of days before the election, four days before the election on that, and there was some back and forth conversations on that. they...
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the one involving the doorman at trump tower, karen mcdougal, the former playboy model, and stormy daniels, saying that michael cohen was involved in all these steps, but they don't the jury doesn't have to rely on cohen alone. we also pointing to the phone the recording that cohen made with his phone of him speaking with donald trump about the karen mcdougal repayment, trying to direct the jury in different directions of where they could look at some of this evidence that isn't michael cohen and that's because trump's team spent a good portion of their two-and-a-half hours focusing on michael cohen saying that he is the gloat the greatest liar of all time, pointing out different ways that they say that he has lied of the prosecutors saying that the reason why michael cohen was of such use to donald trump is because he was willing to live for him. so really a battle both over michael cohen in this
the one involving the doorman at trump tower, karen mcdougal, the former playboy model, and stormy daniels, saying that michael cohen was involved in all these steps, but they don't the jury doesn't have to rely on cohen alone. we also pointing to the phone the recording that cohen made with his phone of him speaking with donald trump about the karen mcdougal repayment, trying to direct the jury in different directions of where they could look at some of this evidence that isn't michael cohen...
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mcdougal, and stormy daniels, and were able to obtain the contract karen mcdougal had with the parent company of the national enquirer which led to the story you were talking about, and the election was rapidly approaching, so obviously we were trying to move quickly to get to the story before the election. we need stormy daniels was also talking about telling her story, but we haven't nailed that down at that point, but we did nail down the karen mcdougal story. >> did you have a sense of how connected donald trump was to the mcdougal payments? >> well, we knew david pecker, who ran the national enquirer, in american media, had a long elation relationship with trump. we had a sense this was done to protect trump. this was the first time anyone reported the term catch and kill in this context, that david pecker caught the story for trump and killed it. we did not have a direct connection at that time. we suspected it, which is why in the days before that email i sent to hope hicks we were talking to the national inquirer primarily because they paid karen mcdougal, and we suspected str
mcdougal, and stormy daniels, and were able to obtain the contract karen mcdougal had with the parent company of the national enquirer which led to the story you were talking about, and the election was rapidly approaching, so obviously we were trying to move quickly to get to the story before the election. we need stormy daniels was also talking about telling her story, but we haven't nailed that down at that point, but we did nail down the karen mcdougal story. >> did you have a sense...
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before that he was karen mcdougal's first lawyer. and it was in his role as mcdougal's first lawyer he text the publisher of the national enquirer i have a blockbuster trump story. steinglass asked witness keith davidson to read that text that he sent to dylan howard. i have a blockbuster trump story . question, what did you mean by that? answer, sort of an entree or teaser to dylan to let him know i had perhaps an opportunity for him. question, and what was that generally speaking without revealing client confidences, what was the opportunity about which you were contacting him? answer, regarding the interaction between karen mcdougal and donald trump. question, what did stir howard say if anything, in response? answer, talk first thing i will get you more than anyone for it. you know why. question answer that you would call me in the morning. that i don't know if i had a clear understanding at that time, but i knew that dylan's boss, david pecker , and mr. trump are longtime friends and had a former business relationship, that mr.
before that he was karen mcdougal's first lawyer. and it was in his role as mcdougal's first lawyer he text the publisher of the national enquirer i have a blockbuster trump story. steinglass asked witness keith davidson to read that text that he sent to dylan howard. i have a blockbuster trump story . question, what did you mean by that? answer, sort of an entree or teaser to dylan to let him know i had perhaps an opportunity for him. question, and what was that generally speaking without...
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regarding the interaction between karen mcdougal and donald trump. what did mr. howard say, if anything, in response? talk first thing. i will get you more than anyone for it. you know why. what do you understand that to mean? that he would call me in the morning. what did you understand the rest of the text to mean? that, i don't know if i had a clear understanding at that time, but i knew that dylan's boss, david pecker, and mr. trump were longtime friends and had a former business relationship that david pecker published from magazine, and that at the time ami had announced, -- implied that they had endorsed mr. trump's candidacy. " that is why karen mcdougal's lawyer believed the national enquirer would pay for her story to help donald trump's candidacy. that was the reason. until now, the reply was, "talk first thing, i'll get you anything, you know why." the why was that mr. trump's candidacy. the prosecutor asked him to read more. "did he cheat on millenia? who did you understand that to be referring to? donald trump. okay, next text, from whom? from dylan
regarding the interaction between karen mcdougal and donald trump. what did mr. howard say, if anything, in response? talk first thing. i will get you more than anyone for it. you know why. what do you understand that to mean? that he would call me in the morning. what did you understand the rest of the text to mean? that, i don't know if i had a clear understanding at that time, but i knew that dylan's boss, david pecker, and mr. trump were longtime friends and had a former business...
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the one with karen mcdougal. cohen took this to mean they got it, they prevented the story from being released on abc news effectively the story has now been caught. cohen updated trump and said it was bullet proof. trump said fantastic, great job. again we're talking karen mcdougal. matt. >> well first of all, another day of trial, another witness and still no -- nowhere close to allegations or evidence of illegality. i think the jury is probably at this point four weeks in very frustrated with the prosecution and the story they are telling and hoping or looking for something to hang their hat on. one of the things that, you know, as we get the read-outs here from people in the courtroom, that the jury has access to, the non-verbal. michael cohen's, the way he looks, the way he acts, the way he is testifying, and that's going to be worth as much as the words that are coming out of his mouth. you know, the prosecution is trying to build him up trying to give him softball questions to have the jury have some sympa
the one with karen mcdougal. cohen took this to mean they got it, they prevented the story from being released on abc news effectively the story has now been caught. cohen updated trump and said it was bullet proof. trump said fantastic, great job. again we're talking karen mcdougal. matt. >> well first of all, another day of trial, another witness and still no -- nowhere close to allegations or evidence of illegality. i think the jury is probably at this point four weeks in very...
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but karen mcdougal, it's it's essentially background information. the prosecution has has already put forward all about the transaction. i don't know if they need her. so before i get to that point, when you talk about tomorrow, it's all about strategy, right? and when your defense attorney you're exhausted, you you're literally exhausted and if you put on the prosecution puts on a key witness tomorrow on friday the fence has saturday, sunday to see okay. this is the direct they're going to have daily copy and then could really prepare very well for the cross-examination on monday. so when i was a prosecutor, i tried to put on like, nonsensical went no big deal witnesses. >> but i think on a friday on a friday, so that i don't give the advantage initiatives attorney to have that weekend and prep what jeffrey is saying though, is, i've been thinking about that. >> do they really need stormy daniels? but if you give the defense the opportunity to go up there and say, i am as defense attorney, i am telling you my client is always said he didn't have se
but karen mcdougal, it's it's essentially background information. the prosecution has has already put forward all about the transaction. i don't know if they need her. so before i get to that point, when you talk about tomorrow, it's all about strategy, right? and when your defense attorney you're exhausted, you you're literally exhausted and if you put on the prosecution puts on a key witness tomorrow on friday the fence has saturday, sunday to see okay. this is the direct they're going to...
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they're not trying to prosecute a case about karen mcdougal. so who cares because karen mcdougal leads directly to stormy daniel's end away. the defendant, i would argue with the way donald trump interacted with michael cohen and david pecker in the karen mcdougal case? not identical to what they did with stormy daniels, but it sets the key parts in place and to jamie's point with the first excerpt we saw, you see this again later. this shows that donald trump deputize michael cohen. he said to david pecker, this is the guy you're gonna be dealing with. on these kind of things. it happened to mcdougal and you see it happen again in daniel. so it's necessary background, sort of a ramp leading to the crime here. >> so the jury's third and fourth requests both had to do with this to trump tower meeting in august 2015, where donald trump, david pecker michael cohen, all are on tuesday, steinglass told the jury, as mr. pecker explained, the meeting began with donald trump and michael cohen asking what pecker could do to help the campaign. and you ha
they're not trying to prosecute a case about karen mcdougal. so who cares because karen mcdougal leads directly to stormy daniel's end away. the defendant, i would argue with the way donald trump interacted with michael cohen and david pecker in the karen mcdougal case? not identical to what they did with stormy daniels, but it sets the key parts in place and to jamie's point with the first excerpt we saw, you see this again later. this shows that donald trump deputize michael cohen. he said to...
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there are no longer calling on the playboy model karen mcdougall. it might be because of the ramifications of the stormy daniels testimony and if it went a bridge too far but again karen mcdougall will not be called to testify at by the prosecution in this hush money trial. more on that but first take a look at this... >> going to rafah i'm not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with the rafah tact to deal with the cities and deal with that problem. >> there is a lot as steak here i thank the region and the world is going to second-guess relationships with us in the future if you don't change your mind. >> we are talking about the president how he intervened to stop some weapons from getting to israel here. it didn't mean that they are going to stop military aid and help for israel but anything that could be used to make like uncomfortable for those in gaza that was going to stop. not entirely unprecedented on the part of the president but it's unusual still deceive this kind of thing happen where you can pick and choose
there are no longer calling on the playboy model karen mcdougall. it might be because of the ramifications of the stormy daniels testimony and if it went a bridge too far but again karen mcdougall will not be called to testify at by the prosecution in this hush money trial. more on that but first take a look at this... >> going to rafah i'm not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with the rafah tact to deal with the cities and deal with that problem. >>...
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also pecker's 2016 phone call with donald trump about the former playboy playmate karen mcdougal. and david pecker's testimony about not finalizing a deal, a payment from trump to reimburse ami for mcdougal's rights to her story about her alleged affair with donald trump just moments ago, trump repeated some all too familiar false claims about a rigged trial as he walked into the court as we are waiting for the verdict here, but still getting into the notes as of this moment, paula reid and kristen holmes are here with me. and right now, what the judges doing is he's re-reading the parts of the instructions that the jury was curious about. and there's one interesting part which was about david pecker's non-prosecution agreement, basically that they could not be could not be prosecuted. it's he was boy us basically on the standard. and what he's reading is you'll recall that testimony you heard about when david pecker was an executive at ami, that they went into a non-prosecution agreement with them federal prosecutors, and basically he was saying this is to help you as a jury asse
also pecker's 2016 phone call with donald trump about the former playboy playmate karen mcdougal. and david pecker's testimony about not finalizing a deal, a payment from trump to reimburse ami for mcdougal's rights to her story about her alleged affair with donald trump just moments ago, trump repeated some all too familiar false claims about a rigged trial as he walked into the court as we are waiting for the verdict here, but still getting into the notes as of this moment, paula reid and...
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but karen mcdougal, it's it's essentially background information. the prosecution has has already put forward all about the transaction. i don't know if they need her. so before i get to that point, when you talk about tomorrow, it's all about strategy, right? and when your defense attorney you're exhausted, you you a literally exhausted. and if you put on the prosecution puts on a key witness tomorrow on friday the fence has saturday, and sunday to see. okay. this is the direct they're going to have daily copy and think could really prepare very well for the cross-examination on monday. so when i was a prosecutor, i tried to put on like nonsensical when no big deal witnesses, but on a friday on a friday, so that i don't give the advantage it is attorney to have that weekend prep what jeffrey is saying though, is i've been thinking about that. do they really need stormy daniels? but if you give the defense the opportunity to go up there and say, i am as a defense attorney, i am telling you my client has always said he didn't have sex with stormy dan
but karen mcdougal, it's it's essentially background information. the prosecution has has already put forward all about the transaction. i don't know if they need her. so before i get to that point, when you talk about tomorrow, it's all about strategy, right? and when your defense attorney you're exhausted, you you a literally exhausted. and if you put on the prosecution puts on a key witness tomorrow on friday the fence has saturday, and sunday to see. okay. this is the direct they're going...
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karen mcdougal, importantly, not stormy daniels. and karen mcdougal. it's not a call, it's an in-person meeting. michael cohen records on his phone. and the reason it cuts off is because he gets an incoming phone call. that recording is the only time the jury will hear a recording of any conversation between donald trump and michael cohen and to me it's a rorschach test when you look at the transcript of this tape, you can see it as donald trump knows what's going on. michael cohen is telling him, we're going to pay off karen mcdougal. trump essentially says, yes, what's it going to cost? one 50 do it the other way of looking at it though, is that cohen essentially communicating to trump, don't you worry about the internal details of it. leave that to me and allen weisselberg. you just know that we're paying we're going to hand at one point, michael cohen says, no, no, no, no. alan and i will handle that. so both sides are going to be arguing this case, this tape intensely, because it goes right to that core issue of donald trump's knowledge and intent
karen mcdougal, importantly, not stormy daniels. and karen mcdougal. it's not a call, it's an in-person meeting. michael cohen records on his phone. and the reason it cuts off is because he gets an incoming phone call. that recording is the only time the jury will hear a recording of any conversation between donald trump and michael cohen and to me it's a rorschach test when you look at the transcript of this tape, you can see it as donald trump knows what's going on. michael cohen is telling...
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stormy daniels and karen mcdougal's former attorney, keith davidson, the prosecution played the phone conversation that michael cohen secretly recorded and cnn exclusively obtained featuring donald trump taking an active role in the karen mcdougal deal we're going to biden's been talking about that and the impression that it may have had on the jury throughout the program. if you're just joining us here, is that clip need to open up a company for the transfer of water that info regarding our friend david so i'm going to do that right away. i'd actually come up to me and i've spoken to allen weisselberg about how to set the whole thing up with so where we are funding yes and it's all the stuff all the stuff because you never know where that company never know what it's going to get it correct. >> so i'm i'm all over that. and i spoke to alan about it when it comes time for the financing, which will be what well paton yourself, getting old i got no check. >> back with the panel joining us. cnn's laura coates live. laura coates live at 11. also cnn's kara scannell, who was in court again
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karen mcdougal's relationship with trump is much more of a relationship, right? stormy daniel's, there's a debate about whether turning to do is since she was in love with you? yeah. exactly. i think that that that also is going to come into play too, in terms of trump's credibility and denying these affairs. >> thanks, everyone. the news continues right here on cnn nothing dems my light, like a migraine with nortech ott. i found really the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent all-in-one to those with migraine. i see you for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults don't take if allergic to nortech odi team allergic reactions can occur even days after using most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. >> it's time. we talk to a health care provider about nortech ott from pfizer. >> it's good to get some fresh air that's there. >> hi guys. bill. you look great. now that i have inspire, i'm free from struggling with the mask and the hose is fire inspires
karen mcdougal's relationship with trump is much more of a relationship, right? stormy daniel's, there's a debate about whether turning to do is since she was in love with you? yeah. exactly. i think that that that also is going to come into play too, in terms of trump's credibility and denying these affairs. >> thanks, everyone. the news continues right here on cnn nothing dems my light, like a migraine with nortech ott. i found really the only migraine medication that helps treat and...
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karen mcdougal's relationship with trump is much more of a relationship, right? stormy daniel's, there's debate about whether or reduce that she was in love with me. yeah. exactly. so i think that that that also is going to come into play too, in terms of trump's credibility and denying these affairs, want to thank everybody the news continues, so deserve special primetime, cnn trial coverage right after a short break welcome to the roots of our legacy. we're excellence comfort and electricity are forever in blue welcome to beyond the mercedes, my buck eq suv somebody would ask her something and she would just walk right past we didn't know they were talking to her. >> i just could not hear i was hesitant to get the hearing aids because of my short hair, but nobody even sees them are nearly invisible hearing aids are just one reason we've been the brand leader for every 75 years when i finally did here for the first time, i could hear everything call miracle ear at one 800 to 347090, and schedule your free hearing evaluation today you've got better things to do t
karen mcdougal's relationship with trump is much more of a relationship, right? stormy daniel's, there's debate about whether or reduce that she was in love with me. yeah. exactly. so i think that that that also is going to come into play too, in terms of trump's credibility and denying these affairs, want to thank everybody the news continues, so deserve special primetime, cnn trial coverage right after a short break welcome to the roots of our legacy. we're excellence comfort and electricity...
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the karen mcdougal interview. mcdougal is one of the women at the center of former president trump's hush money trial. she says they had an affair starting in 2006 that lasted around ten months. the former president denies an affair with mcdougal or a sexual relationship with stormy daniels karen mcdougal was paid by the company that owns the national enquirer for her story as part of a catch and kill scheme. i spoke to her about it back in 2018. karen mcdougal had never told her story on camera and full until this interview. and she's never done an interview like it says if we could just start at the beginning, how did you meet donald trump i met donald when they were filming the celebrity apprentice at the playboy mansion. >> they were filming there and i was hired as one of deployments to work at the pool party, seen as quite fine actually. and you'd you'd worked for playboy for some time yes. >> i after becoming play mated the year i was required to work so many events with playboy. and that was one of the eve
the karen mcdougal interview. mcdougal is one of the women at the center of former president trump's hush money trial. she says they had an affair starting in 2006 that lasted around ten months. the former president denies an affair with mcdougal or a sexual relationship with stormy daniels karen mcdougal was paid by the company that owns the national enquirer for her story as part of a catch and kill scheme. i spoke to her about it back in 2018. karen mcdougal had never told her story on...
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now they're talking about karen mcdougal, who is not at issue here, the payment to karen mcdougal is not at issue here but it shows in some ways a pattern. pecker said trump said karen was a nice girl, which suggested to pecker that trump knew her, and pecker believed the story to be true, and pecker told interest trump he should buy the story. but the defendant was reluctant because he felt the story always gets out. pecker advised trump to buy the story anyways because it was too risky, so close to the election, they should take the story off the market. they're not talking about jump starting karen mcdougal's career, they're trying to protect the campaign. and with all the documents in this case it's easy to lose sight of this call. they're talking about a flurry of calls, including a 25-minute call, then a 1-minute call from pecker to howard, howard to cohen, that they had. he said trump was overtly discussing purchasing her story to keep it from being published. trump deputizing cohen right in front of pecker so that pecker knows a go ahead from cohen is a go ahead from trump. t
now they're talking about karen mcdougal, who is not at issue here, the payment to karen mcdougal is not at issue here but it shows in some ways a pattern. pecker said trump said karen was a nice girl, which suggested to pecker that trump knew her, and pecker believed the story to be true, and pecker told interest trump he should buy the story. but the defendant was reluctant because he felt the story always gets out. pecker advised trump to buy the story anyways because it was too risky, so...
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emil bove, eight circling back to karen mcdougal karen mcdougal, the 1998 playboy playmate of the year, who alleges that she had a ten to 11 months long relationship between 2006 and 2007 with donald trump trump's attorneys now highlighting what some might call sorted dealings of this prosecution witness, including and that he was targeted by an fbi sting operation. we're going to have much more from our reporters inside the courtroom giving us all these real-time updates during this process examination, you're watching cnn special live coverage. we're going to squeeze in a very quick break. we'll be right back the trump hush money trial gavel to gavel coverage, the weight only cnn can bring it to you. legal insight, expert analysis, and real-time updates live from the courtroom follow the facts, follow the testimony follows. cnn, these underwear are period proof and sneeze proof and swept their leak-proof underwear from knicks, comfy and confident protection that field, just like normal with so many styles and colors to choose from switching his easy at nixed.com ego been number one r
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one involved the hush money payment to stormy daniels and the other was the karen mcdougal contract. and this particular tape is about the second crime to which michael cohen pled guilty, even though he just did the paperwork involving the payment to ms smith google, but you notice the word cash spoken by donald trump. it's not easy to here, but it wasn't the reason i went on chris cuomo and released it to cnn because that morning, rudy giuliani trump's lawyer said it was that michael cohen had used the word cash and there was at that point with his criminal defense lawyer that we decided we need to correct the record. that tape speaks for itself. >> that's where you gave the tape to cnn, correct? >> at that time, the jury also today heard michael cohen's voice for the first time. i thought it was significant. it in a stunning recording that link trump directly to stormy daniel's payment. let me quote from what he said. this is a direct quote. i can't even tell you how many times he trump said to me, i hate the fact that we did it. how significant is that i don't really know i'm goin
one involved the hush money payment to stormy daniels and the other was the karen mcdougal contract. and this particular tape is about the second crime to which michael cohen pled guilty, even though he just did the paperwork involving the payment to ms smith google, but you notice the word cash spoken by donald trump. it's not easy to here, but it wasn't the reason i went on chris cuomo and released it to cnn because that morning, rudy giuliani trump's lawyer said it was that michael cohen had...
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made with karen mcdougal. the second request, the second time they rang their bell was for the jury to have the instructions that judge merchan gave them earlier this morning read back to them. over the last several weeks the 12 jurors and 18 alternates have listened to first opening statements then the testimonies of 22 witnesses, then yesterday seven hours of closing statements. and they are now deciding on donald trump's 34 counts of falsifying business records to cover up reimbursements for hush money paid to a porn star. as "the new york times" reports, quote, this is one of the rare moments in his life since he was first elected president when trump hadn't been in control of a situation in one way or another. even when we lost the 2020 election, he created an entire apparatus that worked in vain to overturn it. there's not much to do with a system of rule he doesn't control. in true trumpian fashion the ex-president railing against his case on social media as he and the rest of the world waits for the ju
made with karen mcdougal. the second request, the second time they rang their bell was for the jury to have the instructions that judge merchan gave them earlier this morning read back to them. over the last several weeks the 12 jurors and 18 alternates have listened to first opening statements then the testimonies of 22 witnesses, then yesterday seven hours of closing statements. and they are now deciding on donald trump's 34 counts of falsifying business records to cover up reimbursements for...
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mcdougal and when she first heard about karen mcdougal. she said she thought it was -- there was a woman named karen mcdougal that was purchased by the "national enquirer." her response is asking the reporter to hold and hicks said it was an inquiry, a press inquiry. it has been accepted into evidence that that email came. in any case, peter alexander, when we talk about the campaign and what was happening at the time, this is also going to bring "access hollywood" back into the conversation. the tape is not going to be played. that's too prejudicial. this judge is being very careful about what he puts in and what he doesn't allow to be put into evidence. i can guarantee you, it's going to be played on newscasts or tabloids it's going to stream. this is a reminder to current voters of that incident. peter? >> reporter: you are right. remember, one of your guests described its a bomb. that's the way it felt in those days before the election. really did feel like it tore this thing wide open. it was stunning, even as members of the trump cam
mcdougal and when she first heard about karen mcdougal. she said she thought it was -- there was a woman named karen mcdougal that was purchased by the "national enquirer." her response is asking the reporter to hold and hicks said it was an inquiry, a press inquiry. it has been accepted into evidence that that email came. in any case, peter alexander, when we talk about the campaign and what was happening at the time, this is also going to bring "access hollywood" back into...
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karen mcdougal does,. the monday before the election and you have those conversations were trump is telling hope hicks what to do. hope hicks says i will deny, deny, deny. they are hyperaware the political damage and none of the witnesses have said anything about trump being scared of melania. i had a source inside that the paper up when access hollywood tape dropped. he told me, he went upstairs with trump, and melania was very distraught. no one knows anything about anyone's merits so i have no idea >> your source was in the room of melania? >> i do not think trump went upstairs alone. a subset of the group went upstairs to the resident to deal with the statement and melania. i think a group came from -- his vote was to donald trump from the ticket and see if they could switch with mr. pence. i think if you went upstairs from to pay trump test prep. melania was reportedly crying. we do not know she was crying. did she know? was she mad at him? his concerns about her work distant second. his political con
karen mcdougal does,. the monday before the election and you have those conversations were trump is telling hope hicks what to do. hope hicks says i will deny, deny, deny. they are hyperaware the political damage and none of the witnesses have said anything about trump being scared of melania. i had a source inside that the paper up when access hollywood tape dropped. he told me, he went upstairs with trump, and melania was very distraught. no one knows anything about anyone's merits so i have...
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mcdougal interview along with stormy daniels, karen mcdougal's at the center for president trump's ongoing hush money trial she spoke to. >> me back in 2018 are revealed for the first time on camera, the full story about her alleged relationship with trump, which she says began in 2006, and about the payment for her silence brokered through the parent company of the national enquirer karen mcdougal has never spoken about it in such a tail on cameras since did you think maybe this would lead to a marriage maybe that's something though. you liked him enough. that's something you would have like. >> maybe did he at the time say tell you that you were his only girlfriend or did that subnet we never really discussed that i knew he talked to lady's but i didn't know there was anything else. i didn't know he was intimate with other ladies, but i guess if he's makes sense, if he's doing a behind his wife's back why would not do it by my back. >> but at that time in the frame of mind, you were in then you felt you were the only one i thought i was the only one. >> yeah. i didn't i thought i was the
mcdougal interview along with stormy daniels, karen mcdougal's at the center for president trump's ongoing hush money trial she spoke to. >> me back in 2018 are revealed for the first time on camera, the full story about her alleged relationship with trump, which she says began in 2006, and about the payment for her silence brokered through the parent company of the national enquirer karen mcdougal has never spoken about it in such a tail on cameras since did you think maybe this would...
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davidson on those phone calls about karen mcdougal. michael cohen, that she was also under control, that nobody's going rogue here. prosecutor, in addition to that, did you express any anger at keith davidson for that article? michael cohen, yes. prosecutor, why? this cohen, because she was his client, and i expected he would have this under control. again, it was days before, and i wanted to ensure mr. trump was safe. prosecutor, were you angry with him? cohen, very. prosecutor, did you think someone on his side had leaked something like this to "the wall street journal"? cohen, yes. prosecutor, did you indicate to him that somebody might be very upset with him? cohen, i did. prosecutor, who did you indicate might be very upset with him? trump defense counsel, objection, leading. the judge, sustained. prosecutor, what, if anything, did you tell him about mr. trump during those calls? cohen, that he was really angry, and i truly hoped that we don't come back to find out that this is something that you guys did where -- where this is a
davidson on those phone calls about karen mcdougal. michael cohen, that she was also under control, that nobody's going rogue here. prosecutor, in addition to that, did you express any anger at keith davidson for that article? michael cohen, yes. prosecutor, why? this cohen, because she was his client, and i expected he would have this under control. again, it was days before, and i wanted to ensure mr. trump was safe. prosecutor, were you angry with him? cohen, very. prosecutor, did you think...
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mcdougal, alleged affairs with karen mcdougal and stormy daniel's moments ago, hicks was asked if trump ever communicated directly about the payment and she tests justified, quote, i only know about one instance sometime in the middle of february, mr. trump told me about it a few minutes later, she said, quote, sorry, president trump. the court is now taking a brief break after hicks began crying was audibly sniffing, according to our observers, there and our reporters who are there in the room. >> we have cnn chief legal affairs correspondent paula reid outside the manhattan courthouse. >> paula, this was pretty dramatic. tell us what happened probably the most dramatic moment we've seen so far in this trial. hope hicks facing questions from prosecutors specifically about whether she knew about that hush money payment. >> if trump i've had ever talked to her about it, and she testified that she only knew of one instance sometime in the middle of february 2017, that trump told her about it. now she goes on to say that trump told hicks that cohen did it out of the kindness of his heart a
mcdougal, alleged affairs with karen mcdougal and stormy daniel's moments ago, hicks was asked if trump ever communicated directly about the payment and she tests justified, quote, i only know about one instance sometime in the middle of february, mr. trump told me about it a few minutes later, she said, quote, sorry, president trump. the court is now taking a brief break after hicks began crying was audibly sniffing, according to our observers, there and our reporters who are there in the...
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she's asked when did you first hear the name karen mcdougal, in what context. i received a call from "the washington post." who was the reporter, and had you heard of someone named stormy daniels? i heard it one other time before that. she's getting this call as the top press flack in the trump campaign, which has got to freak her out. the date is significant. november 4, 2016, is four days before the election. you now have a story coming out that would confirm a salacious story about donald trump's relationships with two women, one of whom was stormy daniels and one karen mcdougal but in the context of all these other women backing up the "access hollywood" tape that came out in october '16 which she also had to deal with, and he's running against a woman. in an election in which he is being portrayed as a misogynist, and he's been a misogynist even to the woman he's running against. that is context that's important, right? the timing is that if the election was literally happening around the corner. you were in court today. what did you see? >> i wasn't actua
she's asked when did you first hear the name karen mcdougal, in what context. i received a call from "the washington post." who was the reporter, and had you heard of someone named stormy daniels? i heard it one other time before that. she's getting this call as the top press flack in the trump campaign, which has got to freak her out. the date is significant. november 4, 2016, is four days before the election. you now have a story coming out that would confirm a salacious story about...
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to go with. >> so the karen mcdougal on november 4th is when she first hears an inquiry. i'll get to that in a moment. she said at one point, vaughn that she had heard about stormy daniels, as much as a year beforehand, but in what context. since that's the focus of this particular trial? >> reporter: exactly, and i'm catching up with you in realtime. i don't want to answer out of turn if i could dodge that question for a moment here. >> no worries. you know who i will bring in, as you do your research, vaughn, we're reading this in live realtime what's happening inside the courtroom is "new york times" investigative reporter, david fahrenthold, as i welcome you, bring us back to the day that you drafted the e-mail to send to hope hicks asking for comment, right, and how things were expecting to unfold, and by the way, did i just get told -- okay. there will be no redirect, everybody, it is 3:30. hope hicks is now off the stand, which is very interesting. potentially unexpected. we have another 15 minutes or so theoretically until court will cease to be in session today t
to go with. >> so the karen mcdougal on november 4th is when she first hears an inquiry. i'll get to that in a moment. she said at one point, vaughn that she had heard about stormy daniels, as much as a year beforehand, but in what context. since that's the focus of this particular trial? >> reporter: exactly, and i'm catching up with you in realtime. i don't want to answer out of turn if i could dodge that question for a moment here. >> no worries. you know who i will bring...
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was that they didn't want karen mcdougal to testify. now, they said that they'd been informed by the prosecutors that she'll would not be taking the stand, so she will not be appearing this case as this is winding down, there's really only one have significant witness less than that is michael cohen but prosecutors have not yet said when they will call him jane that's right. >> it's interesting that the prosecuting attorney, mr. steinglass, i think is his name, said that there are a lot of salacious details. his words that they did not include that they purposely did not include and still we're not in the case and they were not seeking to embarrass mr. trump. i suppose that's true at least as far as anybody who's familiar with stormy daniels book or her appearance on jimmy kimmel knows, but still what came out was, i think it's i mean, i can understand the argument that it was prejudicial because she certainly seem to be suggesting that she didn't want it to happen even if it was even if it was not coerced right? >> that is what the hea
was that they didn't want karen mcdougal to testify. now, they said that they'd been informed by the prosecutors that she'll would not be taking the stand, so she will not be appearing this case as this is winding down, there's really only one have significant witness less than that is michael cohen but prosecutors have not yet said when they will call him jane that's right. >> it's interesting that the prosecuting attorney, mr. steinglass, i think is his name, said that there are a lot...
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mcdougal, buying the karen mcdougal story which hope hicks said pecker described as a typical legit business deal for some magazine covers and articles, things like that. but pecker was never paid back. so no sense of establishing by the prosecution that there is nothing saying that he did anything wrong. >> to start with your point on the "access hollywood" tape that was not part of the overall catch and kill opportunity ami did not catch that. it it came out and like many other negative stories about donald trump some stories have. only some actually were part of the catch and kill type of scenario and it also shows with the catch and kill that the dollar amounts were very low. donald trump is a person of incredible wealth so if his idea was to catch and kill these stories you think you would pay more but that makes the point it's david packer and michael cohen are the ones endeavoring to run these deals. donald trump essentially saying fine, that is great if my friend at ami, my attorney, my fixer can take care of this send me the bill later on and i will take care of it. and we
mcdougal, buying the karen mcdougal story which hope hicks said pecker described as a typical legit business deal for some magazine covers and articles, things like that. but pecker was never paid back. so no sense of establishing by the prosecution that there is nothing saying that he did anything wrong. >> to start with your point on the "access hollywood" tape that was not part of the overall catch and kill opportunity ami did not catch that. it it came out and like many...
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i'm karen mcdougal. >> does it tell you anything? that the jury in one of the questions that they asked, the testimony to be re-read was about that. oh, yeah. i mean, the fact that that was one of the first notes that came out, we want to hear testimony. >> does that make it more does that give the defense attorneys more credibility and how they talked about that or you think it's the opposite, know, the opposite they allow the jury to focus on something you karen mcdougal is not part of these charges and they allowed the jury they even directed the jury in some ways to these ancillary aspects. >> they're really and i wonder whether karen mcdougal would have even been mentioned had the harvey weinstein decision came come down earlier. remember, she that was testimony that came out in the first couple of days with david pecker before the weinstein decision came out, limiting how much you can talk about those so-called other bad acts and so the fact that the jury was focusing on that, i think is a testament to the fact that the defense
i'm karen mcdougal. >> does it tell you anything? that the jury in one of the questions that they asked, the testimony to be re-read was about that. oh, yeah. i mean, the fact that that was one of the first notes that came out, we want to hear testimony. >> does that make it more does that give the defense attorneys more credibility and how they talked about that or you think it's the opposite, know, the opposite they allow the jury to focus on something you karen mcdougal is not...
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i had moved from the west wing to the east wing when the stormy daniels and karen mcdougal news, when it hit when we were in the white house. i did have a lot of the personal conversations with melania. to see that he didn't want to have the newspapers delivered to the residents, it made me smile. it sound like something he would think of. melania watches the news like crazy. she keeps track of everything. she's on her phone all the time. she never read hard newspapers like he did. that made me kind of smile that that was one of his, you know, i don't know ways to hide it from her. it was never going to happen. >> it sound like we all know how much donald trump follows the news, right, and it's clear just if you follow him in any way, he seems to know everything that everyone says about him at all times, but i think melania trump, the idea that someone who's her husband thought that something could be hidden to her is almost, i don't want to say laughable on its face but makes no sense. >> yeah, it's silly. it makes me smile. she consumes media just as much as him. he likes to have th
i had moved from the west wing to the east wing when the stormy daniels and karen mcdougal news, when it hit when we were in the white house. i did have a lot of the personal conversations with melania. to see that he didn't want to have the newspapers delivered to the residents, it made me smile. it sound like something he would think of. melania watches the news like crazy. she keeps track of everything. she's on her phone all the time. she never read hard newspapers like he did. that made me...
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of karen mcdougal's life rights? exactly i mean, you have to just concede those points and focus the jury and on these are the important points. >> yeah. i always like to start a closing by saying there's a lot of things in this in this case that are not in dispute. here are the things that the district attorney and i actually agree on but here are the things that are in dispute, and this is what you have to beside focusing here send out your notes, asking for to read back the testimony on this issue. >> yeah. >> karen, what do you think? >> yeah. look, a lot of the trial was a head scratching for practitioners to wonder why for example, when when todd blanche i can't remember actually who did this stormy daniels cross, but whoever across wasn't necklace sorry. who's a phenomenal, phenomenal defense attorney. so i can't imagine that this was her decision to spend any time cross-examining stormy daniel's on whether or not there was a sexual encounter between him and donald trump has nothing to do with the case. i thin
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if you come up with a pre- bottle, you got david , you have keith davidson and now you have karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. by the time that michael cohen takes a stand the jurors will already have seen the facts and they are going to be more willing to believe him. i do not believe that michael cohen will be the final witness. he is a flawed witness. they go into the deliberation room, they are working really hard to point out these in advance to give the evidence in advance to protect michael cohen to create the firewall and i think that's working. >> this is the week that the prosecution will likely start focusing on that. what documents will the jury see? >> they're going to see the signed checks. reimbursing michael cohen for his hush money payments to stormy daniels. we have already seen a ton of email exchanges and we know that donald trump didn't send emails, but all of his under links did. the combination of his text messages to david parker and dylan howard, the national editor, we've seen already lots of communications so we've already seen a ton of records, but is a paper tr
if you come up with a pre- bottle, you got david , you have keith davidson and now you have karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. by the time that michael cohen takes a stand the jurors will already have seen the facts and they are going to be more willing to believe him. i do not believe that michael cohen will be the final witness. he is a flawed witness. they go into the deliberation room, they are working really hard to point out these in advance to give the evidence in advance to protect...
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because we know that they did pay for $50,000 to karen mcdougal. so it'd be helpful if the jury was able to clarify that note. but again, we have no idea why the buzzer has gone off. once again while we continue to wait for the lawyers to decide which portions of the transcripts will be read read back. so a lot happening inside, but not exactly clear what it means and amazing that they have to communicate by note with the judge. a person, buzzers, notes, the foreperson contacting the judge, brynn boris, obviously are we are waiting to get more clarification on what exactly the jury is trying to get clarification on here with these two buzzers now, going off inside that courtroom behind yeah, maybe there will be a carrier pigeon. >> i mean, it just it's quite it's quite from another era. i think caitlin are at, let's let's sort of pull back a little bit and talk about this. will there are a few different conversations, but the one that they want david pecker's testimony about an michael cohen's testimony about is this trump tower meeting. we should
because we know that they did pay for $50,000 to karen mcdougal. so it'd be helpful if the jury was able to clarify that note. but again, we have no idea why the buzzer has gone off. once again while we continue to wait for the lawyers to decide which portions of the transcripts will be read read back. so a lot happening inside, but not exactly clear what it means and amazing that they have to communicate by note with the judge. a person, buzzers, notes, the foreperson contacting the judge,...
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karen mcdougal as a voice. you could actually speak to that intent very directly, i think was a smart player ultimately and crucial & because trump of course, was at that meeting as they laid out with david pecker. >> now, karen mcdougal post a picture on social media over the weekend of your book. >> reading your book. and she writes in the post quote, reflecting. so she's relaxing the bath of the glass of wine and your book reflecting what, what, what did you interpret as you saw that well you know, it's some expertly judged shade right at the heart of this trial, where people know that she is one of the examples that goes to this case. >> prosecutors are making for intent where she was as prosecutors acknowledged today on their witness witness list she was very much in the air as a name that was mentioned a lot during this trial for her to post with her bubble bath, enjoying yourself on a saturday night with a book on this subject is obviously something pointed and there were a lot of chuckles about it and c
karen mcdougal as a voice. you could actually speak to that intent very directly, i think was a smart player ultimately and crucial & because trump of course, was at that meeting as they laid out with david pecker. >> now, karen mcdougal post a picture on social media over the weekend of your book. >> reading your book. and she writes in the post quote, reflecting. so she's relaxing the bath of the glass of wine and your book reflecting what, what, what did you interpret as you...
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prosecutors in the hush money case now opting not to put former playmate playboy playmate karen mcdougal on the stand. how come? let's go out front and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett outfront tonight. shockwaves. president biden's threat to stop providing weapons to israel if israel launches an invasion into rafah's populous center is reverberating across the globe tonight israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu was firing back at biden after his exclusive interview with us last night lot more. >> if we need to stand alone, we will stand alone. i have said that if necessary, we will fight with our fingernails stand alone. no signs that netanyahu will stand down a defiance. and his national security minister waking up to new is this morning and israel time posted online, hamas hearts biden with an emoji these fast, furious, emotional reactions because of this very clear statement, a commonly delivered statement from the president of the united states i made it clear that if they go into rafah, they haven't gone in rafah yet. if they go into rafah i'm not supplying the weapons that ha
prosecutors in the hush money case now opting not to put former playmate playboy playmate karen mcdougal on the stand. how come? let's go out front and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett outfront tonight. shockwaves. president biden's threat to stop providing weapons to israel if israel launches an invasion into rafah's populous center is reverberating across the globe tonight israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu was firing back at biden after his exclusive interview with us last...
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pecker on the phone call about karen mcdougal and on paying karen mcdougal. the jury will hear discussions of the meeting where the three hashed out a plan to protect his prejudicial chances. pecker and cohen says trump was in on it and work with cohen in the catch and kill scheme. the jury may be trying to see if cohen and pecker kcorroborate each other. what cohen told has to be backed up by other evidence and the jury asked for testimony about his phone call with trump. trump asked if he should buy karen mcdougal's story, they had a nearly year-long affair, pecker told the former president yes, he should buy that. what is striking about the two requests, meeting at trump tower and the phone call seem to highlight donald trump's role in this scheme. jurors may be trying to get to the bottom of what they were told that the president did, telling david pecker and michael cohen to quash negative stories and buy the karen mcdougal story. we will know more when we get a verdict. when could that come? starting with first w-- >> steve: there are dozens of charges,
pecker on the phone call about karen mcdougal and on paying karen mcdougal. the jury will hear discussions of the meeting where the three hashed out a plan to protect his prejudicial chances. pecker and cohen says trump was in on it and work with cohen in the catch and kill scheme. the jury may be trying to see if cohen and pecker kcorroborate each other. what cohen told has to be backed up by other evidence and the jury asked for testimony about his phone call with trump. trump asked if he...
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to the stormy daniels payment, the prosecutors brought up the karen mcdougall story just establish a pattern and that was a story that david pecker ended up purchasing. and michael cohen was said to reimburse pecker until pecker eventually backed out of the deal because of legal concerns. other than that trump tower meeting, that is one of the few instances where former president donald trump is directly involved in something, as to what exactly happened in that meeting differs based off which witness you hearing from at that time. that is why this trump tower meeting back in 2015 is so important where david pecker promised to be the eyes and ears of that campaign and to suppress negative stories about a former president donald trump, promote positive stories and also post or publish negative stories about his potable opponents. i mention hillary clinton earlier but also his republican opponents in the primary leading up to the 2016 nominations. so we continue, we weighed more information shannon, and we will come back when we have more. >> shannon: thank you a very much for meg outs
to the stormy daniels payment, the prosecutors brought up the karen mcdougall story just establish a pattern and that was a story that david pecker ended up purchasing. and michael cohen was said to reimburse pecker until pecker eventually backed out of the deal because of legal concerns. other than that trump tower meeting, that is one of the few instances where former president donald trump is directly involved in something, as to what exactly happened in that meeting differs based off which...
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now, this is about a payment to 1998 playboy playmate of the year, karen mcdougal cohen. all also recorded a discussion with keith davidson, who represented stormy daniel's in 2016 with us now seen as brynn gingras and alayna treene brynn, i want to start with you. where do we begin this morning? what do you think the jury will see in here today? >> yeah john i love how you said digest because there was a lot thrown at jurors yesterday and i suspect when court resumes and just about a half an hour, we're going to hear some more of those recordings again, those were done by michael cohen sometimes in seek grit and many of them were played for jurors, not only on the prosecution side, but the defense was also playing some for their benefit as well. but let's start with the one that you just mentioned there. the one between michael cohen and donald trump. remember prosecutors are trying to explain to jurors how trump knew about these payments that were being made to these the woman on his behalf. so here is one of those examples need to open up a company for the transfer of
now, this is about a payment to 1998 playboy playmate of the year, karen mcdougal cohen. all also recorded a discussion with keith davidson, who represented stormy daniel's in 2016 with us now seen as brynn gingras and alayna treene brynn, i want to start with you. where do we begin this morning? what do you think the jury will see in here today? >> yeah john i love how you said digest because there was a lot thrown at jurors yesterday and i suspect when court resumes and just about a...
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davidson on the phone calls about karen mcdougal? michael cohen that she was also under control that nobody is going here. >> did you express any anger for the article? she was his client and i expected she would have this under control. it was days before and i wanted to ensure mr. trump was safe. prosecutor, were you angry with him?:, very. did you think someone on his side had like something like this to the wall street journal? cohen, yes. did you indicate to him that somebody might be very upset with him? cohen, i did. prosecutor, who did you indicate might be very upset with him, objection leading. judge, some stained. -- since sustained. prosecutor what did you tell him about these calls? >> that he was truly angry and we hope that we don't come back to find out this is something you guys did for this is a major problem. michael cohen giving us a window into the type of work he did for donald trump. you were talking about what michael cohen was doing for donald trump, what type of relationship this was. >> it was, and again, i
davidson on the phone calls about karen mcdougal? michael cohen that she was also under control that nobody is going here. >> did you express any anger for the article? she was his client and i expected she would have this under control. it was days before and i wanted to ensure mr. trump was safe. prosecutor, were you angry with him?:, very. did you think someone on his side had like something like this to the wall street journal? cohen, yes. did you indicate to him that somebody might...
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if you remember, karen mcdougal is the former playboy model who received $150,000.00 in the lead up to the 2016 election as part of a catch and kill scheme with "the national enquirer" to stay quiet about her affair with donald trump. that means stormy daniels testimony, the testimony that wrapped up today, will be the only testimony this jury hears that is directly from a woman accusing donald trump of trying to keep her quiet about affair before the 2016 election. now, there are lots of reasons why karen mcdougal might not want to testify and there are lots of reasons why the prosecution might not want to call on her to testify. we are going to get some expert help unpacking all of that and what that means for this case in just a second. but, karen mcdougal not testifying also makes the testimony we did get today from stormy daniels all the more important and it makes the cross-examination of stormy daniels today, it makes that all the more important. the defense cross-examination today is probably most accurately described by a phrase i am loath to say, that it really does describe
if you remember, karen mcdougal is the former playboy model who received $150,000.00 in the lead up to the 2016 election as part of a catch and kill scheme with "the national enquirer" to stay quiet about her affair with donald trump. that means stormy daniels testimony, the testimony that wrapped up today, will be the only testimony this jury hears that is directly from a woman accusing donald trump of trying to keep her quiet about affair before the 2016 election. now, there are...
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i mean, i knew that karen mcdougal had said they slept in separate bedrooms at trump tower. the jury is not going to hear about that. that's really the relevant part, but i think that all of these sort of very detailed testimony that you heard today, stormy daniels giving about her time in the hotel suite, was as the prosecutor told the judge, you know, he was saying it's too much, too much, the pajamas. but the purpose was to show the jury that this actually happened, to convince them, because even though it's not necessarily directly relevant to whether he falsified business records, the whole notion that he was doing this to cover up an actual sexual encounter as opposed to an extortion attempt is going to be important. so all of that detail and all of the, you know, the things like, i mean, again, they have said they were not going to tell the jury certain more lurid things about karen mcdougal's story and they have not done that, but it's the same point about what stormy said today. >> to come back to stormy daniels, there is this written denial that she did do. she goe
i mean, i knew that karen mcdougal had said they slept in separate bedrooms at trump tower. the jury is not going to hear about that. that's really the relevant part, but i think that all of these sort of very detailed testimony that you heard today, stormy daniels giving about her time in the hotel suite, was as the prosecutor told the judge, you know, he was saying it's too much, too much, the pajamas. but the purpose was to show the jury that this actually happened, to convince them, because...
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we haven't heard much from karen mcdougal in public. some of what she understood to be the case then is now being confirmed in court. her understanding over time was oh, this was all a cut-out. this was the the campaign arm of trump doing business as a tabloid. it is only supposed to go off the evidence as they get it. just in the past two weeks. >> i think putting pecker on the stand and really laying out the scheme and the context for the scheme was important. i thought it was interesting because it fed into the whole thing. because i think that one defense lawyer, by doing that, i think what they really did was show that he had the creds. this is a very sordid thing. while the defense lawyers want to paint this as this happens every day. this is the way it is done. none of the people they got on cross-examination were running for president. none of the people they talked about in cross-examination had obligations under federal election law. to make truthful entries. what karen mcdougal talked about was this was the acknowledgment of
we haven't heard much from karen mcdougal in public. some of what she understood to be the case then is now being confirmed in court. her understanding over time was oh, this was all a cut-out. this was the the campaign arm of trump doing business as a tabloid. it is only supposed to go off the evidence as they get it. just in the past two weeks. >> i think putting pecker on the stand and really laying out the scheme and the context for the scheme was important. i thought it was...