petersburg was spoken by the former head of the mit austria, karin knasel.e you here. we already met last fall in vladivostok. then i asked about your views on european politics. my point was that europe is just followed the rules established by the united states of america. but you then said that e is so unreasonable, provided that they are the first to suffer if something suddenly goes wrong. and then it seemed to me that he explained all this quite clearly. but yesterday, at the celebration of d-day in normandy, president macron spoke about the need to go even further and continue to put pressure on russia. they're not going to stop. i have never agreed with the russian point of view that europe is just a vassal of the usa, and that it is blindly follows orders from washington. no, when. was a minister, i never had any difficulties with the united states; on the contrary, the initiatives i put forward were supported by russia, the united states, and turkey, but the european commission blocked them. do not underestimate the power of the bureaucratic system