on prescribing hormone blockers, cross—sex hormones to under 18 seconds, irrespective of what doctor kasserhe government needs to look into. >> and what do think should >> and what do you think should be private be done about private practitioners who ostensibly then outside of then would be going outside of nhs recommendations? >> well, i think need to look >> well, i think we need to look at legislation children need protecting if it's to illegal sell a package of cigarettes to a 16 year old, why should we be supplying 16 year olds with drugs which will have permanent and possibly life changing impact on their developing bodies, how did we get here? i think we're in a situation that, we're trying to extract ourselves from, but we should never have been here in the first place, we should have been listening to, impartial clinicians and not political activists ten years ago. >> and, debbie, one of the key findings of the cass report is that trans , identifying patients that trans, identifying patients are more likely to experience trauma or neglect and abuse or more likely to be on the auti