this looks a bit more kbi indicated than it really is. lawyers do that sometimes. but the reason they did this is consistent with the theory the da presented. they argued this was not a one off. this was not a confusion. this was not a busy day on the campaign trail. there was an allegedly orchestrated long-term, long running conspiracy. that's the term, and that's why it involved checks signed by the defendant, vouchers and invoices filled out by others. but they argued urging and encouragement of of the defendant. so again, the verdict means that we're going to learn this soon. this is one of those moments we buckle up for. we're going to learn whether the jury found a verdict that this was a conspiracy, guilty, or this was not a conspiracy, not guilty. one or more counts, all we can say is what they have said. they have returned to the judge that they have a verdict. so they think they have that on a bunch of the counts. >> i know you dedicated your program last night to the four jury notes and the instruction that the jury had read back to them today. i love th