formation about an oval office meeting where trump was there in december 2020 and ken chesebro says that he told trump all about the fake elector plot and specifically how it relates to arizona. listen to what chesebro said when he interviewed with michigan prosecutors are a few months ago so i ended up explaining that arizona was still hypothetically possible because the autumn electors voted. so it was i think clear in a way that maybe hadn't been before that we had till january 6, two women >> so that's chesebro telling investigators in michigan about arizona, but i've heard from my sources that arizona prosecutors have asked chesebro about this same meeting. they've asked about people at the national trump campaign level the people who were organizing the fake elector plot across all seven battleground states. so it's interesting as we get closer to a charging decision, will it will criminal charges only come for the 11 or so people in arizona or could we see potentially people closer to trump also be indicted? >> all right. zach, thank you very much with that breaking news and

and ken chesebro says that he told trump all about the fake elector plot. and specifically how it relates to arizona. listen to what chesebro said when he interviewed with michigan prosecutors are a few months ago so i ended up explaining that arizona was still hypothetically possible because the autumn electors have voted so it was clear in a way that maybe hadn't been before that we had till january 6, to two women >> so that's chesebro telling investigators in michigan about arizona, but i've heard from my sources that arizona prosecutors have asked chesebro about this same meeting. they've asked about people at the national trump campaign level people who were organizing the fake elector plot across all seven battleground states. so it's interesting as we get closer to a charging decision, will it will criminal charges only come for the 11 or so people in arizona or could we see potentially people closer to trump also be indicted? >> all right. zach, thank you very much with that breaking news and we also have some breaking developments now in georgia a

chesebro. he was one of the top lawyers working around people like eastman and others with trump to organize these fake electors can chesebro previously spoke to investigators in michigan about what he knew and we had obtained the audio there. this is what he said to the michigan prosecutors so i ended up explaining that arizona was still hypothetically possible because the autumn >> electors have voted and i explained to the whole logic, because the author electors have voted, we had more tied with litigation. so it was i think clear in a way that maybe you hadn't been before that we had till january 6, two to win so that would be ken chesebro talking about a december 2020 meeting with donald trump. that's something that he has shared with prosecutors, not just in michigan where that sound bite came from, but also something we know he may be asked about in arizona where he is speaking to prosecutors. what prosecutors do in arizona there and the charges seeing decisions they might make, how far

one of the people that the arizona prosecutors have talked to is a lawyer named ken chesebro, who was working at the national level with trump and others and he's previously spoke to prosecutors in michigan. here's what he told those prosecutors peterson so i ended up explaining that arizona was still hypothetically possible because the autumn electors have voted. and i explained the whole logic because he's the author electors have voted. we had more time with litigation. so it was i think clear in a way that maybe hadn't been before that we had till january 6 to two when >> so that's ken chesebro speaking to prosecutors in michigan about arizona. now, we're waiting to see what the prosecutors may do with that yeah. what he actually told them when he got in front of them as well. and if that may become part of a case against people around donald trump potentially other attorneys or even potentially against donald trump himself? yeah, lots going on. kaitlan polantz. thank you very much. and there's more news from arizona, which is also of course, a key battleground in the 2024 electio

one of the people that the arizona prosecutors have we've talked to is a lawyer named ken chesebro who was working at the national level with trump and others. and he's previously spoke to prosecutors in michigan. here's what he told those prosecutors so i ended up explaining that arizona was still hypothetically possible because the autumn electors have voted and i explained to the whole logic, because the author legends had voted we had more time with litigation so it was i think clear in a way that maybe hadn't been before that we had till january 6 to two women. >> so that's ken chesebro speaking to prosecutors in michigan about arizona. now, we're waiting to see what the prosecutors may do with that what he actually told them when he got in front of them as well. and if that means he become part of a case against people around donald trump, potentially other attorneys, or even potentially against donald trump himself. >> yeah, lots going on. kaitlan polantz. thank you very much and there's more news from arizona, which is also of course, a key battleground in the 2024 elections. c

and then, you see it go all the way through to ken chesebro himself there with the crowd on january 6th's taking a picture of himself and sends it to tim troupis who brings him into the campaign and troupis responds enjoy the history that you've made there, right before the crowd there with the capitol. you can see the through-line all the way, with the pitch that we saw on january 6 and how it resulted in that dark day in history. >> luke broadwater, you see that the quote, trump said let them do it it, enquote, that you see that the lawyers were just trying to get it to the house. and the house was already part of a plan of overthrowing an election that sends them back to the house. it's crazy. >> yeah. i mean, it's very clear if you read the emails and these text messages that the litigation was always sort of a subterfuge. now, there was a distraction, to try to get, the end result, which was the overturning of the election. so, they were really looking at anything they could just to keep the courts in motion, to keep sort of a smoke screen going, where they could achieve their poli

none other than ken chesebro himself. our kfile team broke that story last year, but we are now seeing brand new selfies, photos that he took that day this is him outside of the washington monument and the other photo you just saw with him in the red maga hat that shows him in the front and alex jones in the back of the noted conspiracy theorist. but even after witnessing the carnage that day, sara, even with cheseboro in the crowd that day he was still pushing to overturn the election. look at this text from two days later, january 8, 2021. he says to troupis the events of the last two days open up legal options in the states for winning rulings favorable to trump sara. after all that he was still scheming, still pushing the plot >> a mercer car when it really paints the picture with the text and looking at the video and seeing these new pictures. thank you so much for breaking that all down for us. okay >> the jury selection is beginning this morning and the trial of the father of the michigan school shooter. now the fa

chesebro, he criticized judge scott mcafee saying he really kinda split the baby here and says that he expects the defense attorneys in this case it's primarily steven sadow, the defense attorney for former president trump, to appeal this decision >> i hope and expect that the criminal defense lawyers in this case will appeal this decision. and i hope the georgia court of appeals has a different view than scott mcafee so the big things that we're waiting for here are nathan wade's resignation and to see what phase next, what happens >> next with the district attorney's office. will we hear from fani willis no indication now, at this point, but the big question here is, will they be able to get this case back on track before the november election? >> morse tough odds to see the trial take place in august, as they had been forecasting, nick valencia live from atlanta. thank you so much. let's discuss the case now with national security attorney bradley moss bradley. thank you so much for being with us so, judge mcafee here is saying that there is no effective conflict of interests tha

i want to break down three big revelations for you about ken chesebro, who was the architect of the fake electors plot? first of all, in december 2020, he wrote a memo spelling out step-by-step how to pull this off, how to organize slates of republican electors in states that biden actually won. we knew that he made that memo, but we didn't know this. look at this text message that he sent to donald trump's top attorney in wisconsin, jim troupis. he said that to jim, jim, can you ascend my december 6 memo to trump lawyer justin clark, messaging on january 6, being the real date is key, focusing on january 6 then jim troupis, the trump attorney responded, i have sent it to the white house this afternoon. they are the real decision-makers. we didn't know that they had sent these materials to the white house. very notable there, although to be totally transparent, they did not say who exactly at the white house got these materials? but it's important to sarah because just a few weeks later, the trump campaign carry that plan out in seven states across the country. the fake electors voted an

chesebro during his portion of this case, and rob men gave us some insight into what potentially defense attorneys will do next after this decision >> if you were being charged with a crime that could land you in prison for a decade plus. and this was happening. would you feel like you were getting a fair shake? no, of course you wouldn't. and so i would be very disappointed if i were okay >> so we should stand by as well. steve sadow is saying basically in his statement that he is planning and appeal. he's probably drafting that motion as we speak, but for now, the fulton county district attorney's office likely celebrating this victory in this decision from scott mcafee jim. >> all right. nick valencia down at the courthouse in atlanta. let us know of anything develops will go right back to you, but let's continue this conversation in the meantime, joining us now to cnn, chief legal affairs correspondent paula reid, national correspondent kristen holmes. and on my left, chief legal analyst, laura coates, legal analyst, elie orange. i am not used to having so many people with i want to

he represented ken chesebro during the course of his portion of the trial. we've yet to hear from defense attorneys. what is your reaction? immediate reaction to what you've read so far? disorder, scott, i'm disappointed. quite frankly, this is an order where i think the judge makes clear that not only did the district attorney's office use horrible judgment, but he basically said they lie. not they the district attorney lives. >> so how does the case go on like this with that cloud over the district attorney's office. >> i'll answer it. this with the question. if you were being charged with a crime that could land you in prison for a decade plus. and this was happening. would you feel like you were getting a fair shake? no, of course you wouldn't. and so i would be very disappointed if i were in the case. i think there's gonna be a possibility of an attempt to do an interlocutory appeal. what does that mean? >> that means go immediately to the appellate courts. typically, a defendant has to wait until the end of the case to bring up all the errors on appeal

eastman, jeffrey clark who we covered yesterday, jenna ellis, sydney powell, rudy giuliani, ken chesebroquestionable ways, which is why they're facing accountability, but all of them did so in the pursuit of trump's aims of staying in power. weigh in on the conversation from the top of the last hour that liz cheney pointing out to the supreme court they're aiding and abetting his delay strategy to avoid accountability and potentially depriving the american people of the opportunity to see his alleged crimes ahead of election day. >> yeah. remember that game we all used to play, guess who, where all the pictures would go up of the different culprits. >> guess who. >> when i see those faces up there of those lawyers we see people who are going to jail potentially in some of those cases or facing other types of accountability. i think donald trump sees a game of guess who where he can swipe all those faces down on the board and use a magic wand like the pardon power to give those people exoneration and then to bring them back around him. that's what really worries me. when you look at those