kenneth cheseboro, a-pro trump attorney, who was an alleged architect of the fake electors plan, showed up to watch we got specific advice from our lawyers that these documents were meaningless unless a court said they had meeting, you were deciding >> to sign this document as an elector and getting the other electors to sign this document based on a court challenge that you yourself don't believe has legitimacy i wouldn't say it doesn't have legitimacy. that's different than not personally agreeing with it. >> you personally don't believe that legitimate votes by wisconsin residents should be tossed out. and yet, you are signing a document in support of a lawsuit which is alleging just that and if i didn't do that, and the court did throw out those votes, it would have been >> solely my fault that trump wouldn't have won wisconsin >> beautiful kids. good, good. i'm going to blame you, andrew, if they don't do it imagine the repercussions on myself, my family. if it was me andrew hitt who prevented donald trump from winning wisconsin, you're saying you were scared >> absolutely. scared