quite different from what you would expect in anti- bds campaigning, of course, well, i then asked lamise about her view on the current shape of campus activism on palestine. what i've seen is something i've never seen before, which is not just the growth um of the numbers of students from all backgrounds who are joining these movements, but this the growth in their strength and bravery and in their willingness to confront and challenge in a more sophisticated. way than i'd seen in 23 years of giving support to student activists um as my sideing, not not my primary legal work, i've never seen the level of sophistication, bravery and organizing in the face of equally unprecedented repression and attacks from campus administrators who, by the way, are under extreme pressure, not just by the federal and local government, but by zi israeli organizations, and part of our offering when we um represent and defend these students is an offering to campus administration to help them push back against these very difficult ethical um connundrums and and conflicts that they're facing. david, how exact