got lee rigby of last year, rigby at the end of last year, uh, seeker killed a, uh, uh, asylum seekeraul. a pensioner in heartless. paul. uh, sir david amess uh, this sir david amess killing, uh, in covid there was the redding attack . london the redding attack. london bridge attacks. we've got a77. we've got serious problems that didn't go at the height of, uh, manchester arena. i think they said the numbers. there was 22,500 jihadis in britain. it's an issue that's here. we keep. we avoid talking about it. we avoid dealing. dealing with it. and uh, i don't really know. i'm not sure. i know what the solution is about it, but starting to talk about it seriously might be the beginning. >> do you think it's absolutely vital to talk about it? seriously, that seriously, it is something that we a lot. i know we try to do here a lot. i know that is becoming that it is becoming more commonplace because i think people though it can't people feel as though it can't be ignored and is be ignored anymore. and that is vital having vital because without having a conversation discussion vital becaus