linda jubilee from keir starmer. all this guy that's always going on propriety and probity on about propriety and probity and god knows what else in pubuc public life. >> i'll tell you what, there >> and i'll tell you what, there is a of hypocrisy about is a level of hypocrisy about buying your house under a scheme outlined and launched by margaret thatcher, and then pulling the trap door up after you've used it. the ladder, i mean, and the trap door. yeah, but think that's hypocritical. but i think that's hypocritical. and that hits at, her and i think that hits at, her character a little bit more. and perhaps that is relevant to the voting public, because i think when you benefit from a policy, you shouldn't be the first person to be standing by the abolition of it. >> sylvia , briefly, >> indeed, sylvia, briefly, there's no love lost between starmer and rayner. i still think this is a potential political opportunity for labour's adversaries. >> well, i don't know , because >> well, i don't know, because angela ray