mckenzie , anarchist doctor lisa mckenzie, benedict spence.s day in, day out. no wonder it's dying . wonder it's dying. >> i think we need to remember that the media tends to follow the crowd. is this idea that the media quite likes, and i think a lot of political activists, that it's the one that sets the tone. but ultimately it decides to follow what it thinks is going to be profitable. and that's the key thing, isn't it, that it's largely about selling stories. it's largely about profit , where it's largely about profit, where it does sort of end up pivoting into attempting to, if you like, influence political outcomes. i think it tends to backfire. so for as much as we can say that the media is lying to us, and i think probably is, i do think that they will not end up getting the end result that they, that they want from this. yeah most definitely. >> diana moran . we've been lied >> diana moran. we've been lied to about joe biden haven't he. >> haven't we, >> haven't we, >> well , i >> haven't we, >> well, i mean, we're just watching that