and as he said to owen lovejoy just a few weeks before, he said much the same thing. and then he added, no, nothing ism has not yet entirely tumbled to pieces. its elements, he said, were still needed by republicans to fight douglass the democrats. the kansas-nebraska and the expansion of slavery. so lincoln says, i fear an open push by us now against the native us and i'm quoting may offend them and prevent our ever getting them stand with anybody who thinks right on the issue of slavery. and then a year later we have this third party run. so i don't think in 1855, lincoln is much you might even say, not enough to stem the tide of anti-catholic. anti-catholic? no, nothing ism in the united states. so in 1858, when he challenges stephen douglass and they run a really public fight for the senate, lose lincoln, loses the senate. in 1855 to lyman trumbull in 58, he has to he finds himself somewhat conflicted on this issue. the nativists, the real nativists, don't really trust them. he may be talking to them privately and he may not be attacking them, but he's not exactly