we've got margaret carlson joining. welcome, margaret, from "the washington monthly." >> hello ari. hello governor. one of the great debaters of all time. >> i wanted to pin down the point you're making. they're both elderly. they're both above retirement age or however you want to objectively put it. you, governor, thought biden was the better choice last time, right? >> yes. >> i want to be clear, what you're discussing is from a view that thinks biden is better than trump. you don't think it's propaganda about the age. how does he conquer that tomorrow? >> there was an article that said he should take a page out of betty white who never got old, even though she aged. it's a matter of having a little bit of humor. it's about being sharp. it's about making your point and, by the way, not taking the bait, to be distracted by something donald trump's going to say. run your program. show people what you're about. and one other thing, let people know that the economy wasn't so great under donald trump. everybody says, oh, it was so much better. then tell the truth about that and about